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Post by copperpotmd on Sept 4, 2019 1:26:12 GMT

Hey guys, my first 2500 point list I put together using only models I have. I still have some knights, pistoliers, a mortar, and a unit of great swords left over.

I geared it towards more of an all-comers type, and would love some constructive criticism and some heads up on any flaws.

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++ End Times (Empire - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.2.) [2,500pts] ++

+ Uncategorised +

- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points)

+ Lords [425pts] +

Arch Lector [155pts]: Great Weapon [5pts], Light Armour
. Magic Items [50pts]: AB - Armour of Meteoric Iron [50pts]

Battle Wizard Lord [270pts]: Lore of Life, Wizard Level 4 [35pts]
. Magic Items [70pts]: BRB - Earthing Rod [25pts], BRB - Talisman of Preservation [45pts]

+ Heroes [306pts] +

Battle Wizard [90pts]: Lore of Fire, Wizard Level 1
. Magic Items [25pts]: BRB - Dispel Scroll [25pts]

Captain of the Empire [151pts]: Full Plate Armour [6pts]
. Battle Standard Bearer [85pts]: AB - Griffon Standard [60pts]

Master Engineer [65pts]

+ Core [890pts] +

Archers [70pts]: 10x Archers [70pts]

Halberdiers [210pts]: Champion [10pts], 30x Halberdiers [180pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]

Knightly Orders [110pts]: 5x Knightly Orders [110pts], Lance and Shield

Knightly Orders Inner Circle [270pts]: 10x Knightly Orders Inner Circle [250pts], Lance and Shield, Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]

Swordsmen [230pts]: Champion [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts], 30x Swordsmen [210pts]

+ Rare [390pts] +

Helblaster Volley Gun [120pts]

Steam Tank [270pts]: Hochland Long Rifle (Engineer Commander) [20pts]

+ Special [489pts] +

Demigryph Knights [184pts]: 3x Inner Circle Knight [174pts], Lance, Musician [10pts]

Great Cannon [120pts]

Huntsmen [80pts]: 10x Huntsmen [80pts]

Outriders [105pts]: 5x Outriders [105pts]

++ Total: [2,500pts] ++

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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Sept 4, 2019 10:06:01 GMT

Seems pretty solid. Some remarks:
- The Griffon Banner is not worth its points.
- I would give the Arch Lector a cheap magic weapon, for instance the Shrieking Blade (causing Fear). I also think that the AoMI is overpriced now. You might swap it for HA with the Enchanted Shield, and then the Dawnstone or the White Cloak of Ulrik.
- The Ruby Ring of Ruin works well with a Fire Wizard. Consider giving it to your Wizard Lord.
- If you take the same Lore on both Wizards, you can steer the spell allocation a bit to provide the Lord with the best spells.
- Huntsmen and Outriders definitely need a musician.
- If you need extra points, you can drop the Hochland Rifle on the Stank Engineer. Remember that he will suffer the penalty for moving and shooting, if he fires, when the Stank has moved.

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Post by copperpotmd on Sept 4, 2019 11:00:06 GMT

No Griffon banner could give me plenty of points to make some of those changes...and I can't believe I left the musician off the outriders.

What good does a musician do for the huntsmen? They are skirmishers and have as many free reforms as they want. For the easier rally following a flee?

And would the -1 for moving and shooting really be that bad for the hochland long rifle?

I like your input though, thank you, a lot of great ways to tighten it up!

copperpotmd Full Member Posts: 162	Empire 2500pts Sept 4, 2019 11:32:00 GMT via Tapatalk Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by copperpotmd on Sept 4, 2019 11:32:00 GMT And looking at it more, do you think an earthing rod is worth having on a life wizard?

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Yes, it would be for the +1 to rally. That said, the main use of Huntsmen is IMO to block the enemy's Vanguard. Once that is achieved, everything else is a bit of a bonus. If you work on the principle "Der Mohr hat seine Arbeit getan, der Mohr kann gehen“ (the Moor has done his job, the Moor can go), you can forego the musician.

Regarding the Engineer: he has BS 4. So, with the penalties from e.g. Long Range, Sniper and Moving and Shooting, he will be hitting on 6. That said, the Hochland LR was perhaps always more about psychology than lethality.

Also worth pointing out: the unit consisting of the AL on the War Altar will be Stubborn. The Empire FAQ on this matter is irrelevant.

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FvonSigmaringen God Attorney-at-RAW Posts: 2,487	Empire 2500pts Sept 4, 2019 11:44:29 GMT knoffles, saniles, and 1 more like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by FvonSigmaringen on Sept 4, 2019 11:44:29 GMT Earthing Rod: since you have the option of Throne of Vines in the Lore of Life, it is indeed rather superfluous.
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Post by copperpotmd on Sept 4, 2019 11:46:35 GMT

That said, the Hochland LR was perhaps always more about psychology than lethality.

Man, I totally forgot about the -1 for sniper. Hitting on 6s for 20 points doesn't seem worth it, and the psychological piece won't carry much weight in the STANK (imo), since that will be a priority target anyway.

FvonSigmaringen God Attorney-at-RAW Posts: 2,487	Empire 2500pts Sept 4, 2019 19:03:19 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by FvonSigmaringen on Sept 4, 2019 19:03:19 GMT Of course, the Sniper special rule is optional, but since the only point of the HLR is "character assassination," you would only NOT use the rule in the case of lone characters.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Sept 4, 2019 22:25:18 GMT

I forgot to add: give the BSB a shield and the Dragonhelm for a 2+ AS, and perhaps a cheap magic weapon. If you decide on giving the AL the White Cloak, you might consider giving the Dawnstone to the BSB too.

On a general note: almost all of the Empire's characters have a supporting role - for which they need to survive. If they kill something, that is nice, but not necessary. Therefore, they should be equipped first and foremost for survival.

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copperpotmd Full Member Posts: 162	Empire 2500pts Sept 4, 2019 22:28:22 GMT via Tapatalk Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by copperpotmd on Sept 4, 2019 22:28:22 GMT I absolutely agree with you. And dropping the magic banner will allow me to kit out the bsb for that too

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Post by mottdon on Sept 7, 2019 21:52:20 GMT

Looks like a fun list.

I tend to agree with what Fidelis has already said. Especially about the Griffon Banner. Leave it hanging over the fireplace inside the Keep.

Of all, I'd definitely change up the BSB first. He needs to survive. Dragonhelm, shield and Dawnstone is good for him. Maybe the Biting Blade too, if you have a few extra points.

The White Cloak of Ulric works well with the AL. The Sword of Might is really your best bang for your buck when it comes to cheap weapons.

If you have any spare points here or there, I'd consider taking more Knights if at all possible.

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