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Post by nostromo on Jun 8, 2020 11:05:45 GMT
Quick question that I couldn't find resolved, and no Dark Elf FAQ to clarify...
Say I have a dark elf assassin hidden in a unit. Would the unit benefit from any items carried by the assassin before he is revealed?
Eg. The Assassin is carrying the Ring of Hotek in a unit of Black Guard. Would the magic resistance affect the unit of Black Guard while the assassin was hidden? Guessing yes, since p.36 states the asassin is 'deployed' in the unit.
Any pointers on this one?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jun 8, 2020 14:36:34 GMT
The question does not seem to be addressed anywhere, not in the BRB, the Dark Elves AB, or the Skaven AB. So, we need to apply the basic principle: unless specifically stated otherwise, normal rules apply. Since the Hidden special rule does not specifically state that items do not work, they do work. That said, your opponent may wonder why this is happening. Even if you would just answer: "Trust me, I have written it here on a piece of paper," any player that is not a complete beginner will have gotten the idea.
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Post by DiscoQing on Jun 10, 2020 7:51:11 GMT
I can't remember the specific wording in the FAQ...
Or if the FAQ still applies;
But could the 'magic item's effects are turned off when panicking' bit, help here?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jun 10, 2020 8:51:12 GMT
@discoqing
It still applies.
Official Update Version 1.9, p. 6:
Q: Can a fleeing model dispel spells or use magic items? (p24)
A: No.
Naturally, it would apply to a hidden model too, if the concealing unit would be fleeing. Similarly, an Assassin is killed, if the concealing unit is wiped out, or flees the battlefield.
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Post by DiscoQing on Jun 11, 2020 23:31:46 GMT
Ah ok, nevermind 😊
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Post by thezildo on Jan 13, 2023 19:42:44 GMT
Quick question that I couldn't find resolved, and no Dark Elf FAQ to clarify... Say I have a dark elf assassin hidden in a unit. Would the unit benefit from any items carried by the assassin before he is revealed? Eg. The Assassin is carrying the Ring of Hotek in a unit of Black Guard. Would the magic resistance affect the unit of Black Guard while the assassin was hidden? Guessing yes, since p.36 states the asassin is 'deployed' in the unit. Any pointers on this one? So the MR3 seems pretty straightforward that it will work for rink of hotek on an assassin within a unit….. but what about the 2nd part of the item. Any spell targeting a unit within 6” of the bearer suffers a miscast on the roll of double 6 or double 1. If the assassin is hidden and can be placed anywhere in the front rank when it is revealed, then where do you measure to determine if another unit is within 6” without making someone want to jump over the table and punch you in the face? |
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Post by wundapantz on Jan 14, 2023 3:00:53 GMT
in a friendly game, i'd tell my opponent in good faith theres an assassin hidden in the unit who has the ring... not revealing him in game terms. i'm not sure how in a tournament i'd treat it, but the tournaments ive played in we've done an army list rundown before deployment, so the opponent would have known i had an assassin "somewhere"
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Post by thezildo on Jan 14, 2023 6:09:16 GMT
in a friendly game, i'd tell my opponent in good faith theres an assassin hidden in the unit who has the ring... not revealing him in game terms. i'm not sure how in a tournament i'd treat it, but the tournaments ive played in we've done an army list rundown before deployment, so the opponent would have known i had an assassin "somewhere" Yes that’s all ok. I’m fine with my opponent knowing that I have an assassin, that it has the ring of hotek and, thus, gives the u it he is with MR3, but it’s the second part of the ring of hotek that really has me wondering how that would work. The assassin is deployed, but not in a set position, so how do you determine if something is within 6” of them? |
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Post by wundapantz on Jan 14, 2023 8:20:30 GMT
I see.
In a friendly game I'd allow max benefit and measure from the closest corner, in a game with more weight in the results, I'd measure from the unit center.
That's my own interpretation of "fairness"
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jan 14, 2023 12:07:19 GMT
As a house rule, I would play it that hidden models cannot do anything, until they are revealed. That would include the use of any magic items they may have.
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Post by thegoat on Jan 14, 2023 13:49:44 GMT
As a house rule, I would play it that hidden models cannot do anything, until they are revealed. That would include the use of any magic items they may have. Agreed. That is how I would play it as well. |
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Post by DiscoQing on Jan 14, 2023 16:44:35 GMT
The model's not on the board, so neither are the items 😊👍
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Post by thezildo on Jan 15, 2023 4:27:29 GMT
The list this would be in question for would be for a tournament/event so I may need to go to the event coordinator to get their interpretation of the rules. Though it seemed that it was agreed that a hidden model is “deployed” within a unit, it’s just not seen. Given that wording, the MR3 seemed to be agreed upon that it would be applied. It’s when the other part of the ring of hotek was brought up that make positions switch to ‘if it’s not revealed then it doesn’t benefit from items.’ It’s definitely a niche ruling and makes it difficult.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jan 15, 2023 9:22:49 GMT
As so often, similar questions were asked and answered in earlier editions, but, unfortunately, GW was not really in the habit to check old FAQ and incorporate them proactively into any new AB.
For what it is worth, here is a 7th edition DE FAQ on the matter. It does not just answer the specific question, but also gives a general rule (Italics mine):
This tallies with a 6th edition FAQ1 for Skaven Assassins:
As it happens, that DE FAQ was included in the Update Version for the 7th edition AB/8th edition BRB overlap, but it left out the decisive part - whatever one is to make of that.
Dark Elves Official Update Version 1.5, p.3:
Q: Can an un-revealed Assassin use his Cloak of Twilight to teleport another character? (p99)
A: No.
1. There were no Skaven Errata & FAQ in 7th edition.
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