Yvain
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Post by Yvain on Jun 28, 2022 12:42:30 GMT
I have a question about the interaction with these guys.
If I have a slayer unit, and the front line is composed of giant slayers, when someone attacks the unit and doesn't specifically target a giant slayer, do they roll on the Slayer WS of 4 or against the Giant Slayer WS of 5?
Someone once told me you have to fight target the giant slayers individually since they are champions before you could attack the meet of the unit. But the rule book indicates you don't have to target them even if they are in front, and in that manner if they die you just remove a standard rank and file model. (found under the champions in CC entry) Still in that case, seems like you would be fighting the GS's WS5. This becomes more likely when every GS takes a rune weapon since the stats would then be different per fighter.
Also can supporting attacks can target a champion? Champion rule indicates you have to be in base contact, but supporting attacks don't specifically say you are in base contact just targeting a model in base contact.
I am feeling like the rules are:
1. You fight against the stats of one of the models in base contact regardless of if you target them. 2. You don't have to just target giant slayer and could fight the mooks because its a champion not a character, but you use the stats as in 1#.
3. You can use supporting attacks to strike a specific giant slayer of your choice.
Do I have this right?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jun 28, 2022 13:29:32 GMT
1. No. You use the stats of the model you are attacking. If you do not specifically target a champion, you automatically attack R&F models, and use their stats.
2. I am not quite sure what you mean here. If you want to attack the champion, you must specifically target him, in which case his stats are used. If you do not specifically target him, but cause more Wounds than there are R&F, the Wounds will overflow on the champion. Of course, if you are only in btb with Giant Slayers, you have to attack those, and cannot attack R&F.
3. Yes, as long as the Giant Slayers are in btb with the model in the front rank.
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Post by Yvain on Jun 28, 2022 16:05:19 GMT
1. No. You use the stats of the model you are attacking. If you do not specifically target a champion, you automatically attack R&F models, and use their stats. 2. I am not quite sure what you mean here. If you want to attack the champion, you must specifically target him, in which case his stats are used. If you do not specifically target him, but cause more Wounds than there are R&F, the Wounds will overflow on the champion. Of course, if you are only in btb with Giant Slayers, you have to attack those, and cannot attack R&F. 1. In this situation, there are no models in B2B with the rank and file slayers. Only Giant slayers in the front rank
2. Again rank of 5 giant slayers. No other models, if I attack the unit and elect not to target the giant slayers directly, the wounds peel off from the rear of the unit.
"Unless a champion is slain by a direct attack he must be the last rank and file model removed" which is the paragraph after the one you posted.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jun 28, 2022 16:37:59 GMT
1. As stated above, if you are only in btb with Giant Slayers, you have to attack those, and cannot attack R&F. 2. I quoted that myself.  You cannot attack "the unit" in this situation, only the champions. Hence, there can be no excess Wounds overflowing from the unit to the champions, nor, of course, from the champions to the unit. |
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Post by DiscoQing on Jun 28, 2022 21:35:46 GMT
So you would need to target the Giant slayers individually, until rank/file bleed in to the front rank, for another initiative step to attack the unit.
Similar to the goblin herders in a unit of squigs.
30 squigs in Horde formation, 11 herders, 10 in the front 1 at the back.
Elves have to kill the goblins first, then the squigs can feed 😊
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jun 29, 2022 14:17:57 GMT
And if you really want to win the appreciation of your fellow players, use one or more units of 4 Giant Slayers and one Slayer in a conga line....
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Post by saniles on Jun 29, 2022 16:15:53 GMT
Yvain.. I swear to god if you show up with slayers in a conga line having giant slayers as the first 4... we are ground fighting lol
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jun 29, 2022 19:38:43 GMT
QED
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jun 29, 2022 20:09:31 GMT
To add: I would not do it myself (if only because I am an Empire player), but as an Attorney-at-RAW, I cannot fault anyone for using something that is within the rules. I would try to prove him wrong though, by getting up his rear with sufficient attacks at the same I against the Slayer, in which case Wounds would carry over to the Giant Slayers, and the only Deathblow would be from the Slayer.
Although that would be only if Noght's maxim would have failed: shoot the fighty stuff and fight the shooty stuff.
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Post by 1plussave on Jun 30, 2022 23:41:12 GMT
Although that would be only if Noght's maxim would have failed: shoot the fighty stuff and fight the shooty stuff. And Shite the Footy stuff, especially when travelling on match weekends. |
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You cannot attack "the unit" in this situation, only the champions. Hence, there can be no excess Wounds overflowing from the unit to the champions, nor, of course, from the champions to the unit. 
