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2000 PTS (mostly) mounted empire Aug 24, 2022 8:45:14 GMT via mobile grandmasterwang and knoffles like this

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Post by Morvael on Aug 24, 2022 8:45:14 GMT

Hi all - midway through building an empire force - wondered if you might 'fact check' the list, anything inherently wrong here, and any advice to streamline it?

I'm aware that mounted forces aren't top tier anyway, try to keep in the theme for any suggestions.

Some points -
Mage goes in the 5 man unit (or a unit of pistoleers?)
The cannons plus engineer are a replacement for a steam tank - less theme, more consistency?

++ Standard (Empire - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.2.) [1,996pts] ++

+ Uncategorised +

- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points)

+ Lords +

Grand Master [259pts]: Shield
. Magic Items: AB - Runefang, BRB - The Other Trickster's Shard

+ Heroes +

Battle Wizard [130pts]: Lore of Heavens, Wizard Level 2
. Magic Items: AB - Ring of Volans

Captain of the Empire [134pts]: Battle Standard Bearer, Full Plate Armour, Shield
. Magic Items: BRB - Luckstone, BRB - Sword of Might
. Warhorse: Barding

Captain of the Empire [170pts]: Full Plate Armour, Lance, Shield
. Imperial Pegasus
. Magic Items: AB - The White Cloak of Ulric

Master Engineer [66pts]: Light Armour

+ Core +

Knightly Orders [130pts]: 5x Knightly Orders, Lance and Shield, Musician, Standard Bearer

Knightly Orders Inner Circle [390pts]: 13x Knightly Orders Inner Circle, Lance and Shield
. Champion
. Musician
. Standard Bearer: AB - Steel Standard

+ Special +

Demigryph Knights [277pts]: 4x Inner Circle Knight, Lance
. Champion
. Musician
. Standard Bearer: BRB - Banner of Swiftness

Great Cannon [120pts]

Great Cannon [120pts]

Pistoliers [100pts]: Musician, 5x Pistoliers

Pistoliers [100pts]: Musician, 5x Pistoliers

++ Total: [1,996pts] ++

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"We are the chosen of Asuryan, beloved of the gods and heirs to the world. Our armies are the finest in creation; swift where our foes are lumbering, cultured where they are barbaric. Give no thought to failure, nor defeat – we are the Children of Ulthuan and we shall prevail."

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2000 PTS (mostly) mounted empire Aug 24, 2022 9:53:23 GMT Morvael likes this

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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Aug 24, 2022 9:53:23 GMT

Welcome to the Empire! Some incoherent remarks:

- Give your lvl 2 Wizard a horse with barding. Without a horse, he'll slow any unit he joins down - except the Master Engineer. You can put him either with the 5 Knights or the main force. If you put him with the Pistoliers, they will lose the Fast cavalry rule. Drop the Ring of Volans - it is crap. Give him a dispel scroll instead.

- I would give the BRB the Shrieking Sword, instead of the Sword of Might. Fear is not what it used to be, but can still come in handy. Most of our characters have a supporting role: for that, they need to survive. If they kill something, that is just a bonus.

- Give the Captasus the Helm of the Skaven Slayer, Dragon Helm or Enchanted Shield (for a 1+ AS), and a cheap magic weapon (to deal with Ethereals).

- The Master Engineer provides great synergy with a HBVG - cannon not so much. Drop him and use these and other points for a WP or even to upgrade your Wizard to lvl 4.

- I would not give the 5 Knight unit or the DGK a standard bearer. If they break, the standard bearer is automatically slain. In the case of the DGK, you would lose an extra 83 points.

Last Edit: Aug 24, 2022 14:27:30 GMT by FvonSigmaringen

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Morvael
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2000 PTS (mostly) mounted empire Aug 24, 2022 22:42:48 GMT via mobile

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Post by Morvael on Aug 24, 2022 22:42:48 GMT

Aug 24, 2022 9:53:23 GMT FvonSigmaringen said:

Welcome to the Empire! Some incoherent remarks:

- Give your lvl 2 Wizard a horse with barding. Without a horse, he'll slow any unit he joins down - except the Master Engineer. You can put him either with the 5 Knights or the main force. If you put him with the Pistoliers, they will lose the Fast cavalry rule. Drop the Ring of Volans - it is crap. Give him a dispel scroll instead.

- I would give the BRB the Shrieking Sword, instead of the Sword of Might. Fear is not what it used to be, but can still come in handy. Most of our characters have a supporting role: for that, they need to survive. If they kill something, that is just a bonus.

- Give the Captasus the Helm of the Skaven Slayer, Dragon Helm or Enchanted Shield (for a 1+ AS), and a cheap magic weapon (to deal with Ethereals).

- The Master Engineer provides great synergy with a HBVG - cannon not so much. Drop him and use these and other points for a WP or even to upgrade your Wizard to lvl 4.

- I would not give the 5 Knight unit or the DGK a standard bearer. If they break, the standard bearer is automatically slain. In the case of the DGK, you would lose an extra 83 points.

Thanks! I'm historically a High Elf player...so everything seems very cheap and in efficient at the moment!

The lack of steed on the mage was an oversight of course! Interesting points otherwise though, something to mull over for sure

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2000 PTS (mostly) mounted empire Aug 25, 2022 16:01:29 GMT Morvael likes this

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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Aug 25, 2022 16:01:29 GMT

To expand a bit on the Master Engineer: he is basically only taken with the HBVG, because the Master of Ballistics special rule has some major flaws that prevent it to be useful for cannon (and the other war machines are subpar choices). He can only support one war machine, which has to be nominated before any war machine he could support is fired. Hence, you do not know, if his re-roll will be necessary at all. In addition, he cannot re-roll the bounce distance. In the case of the HBVG, the re-roll is more useful (as the HBVG is more prone to misfires), but you use the ME primarily to increase the BS.

Master of Ballistics (Empire AB, p. 35): If a Master Engineer is not fleeing, a single war machine within 3" of him can use his Ballistic Skill and re-roll one artillery dice during the Shooting phase. This cannot be the dice that determines the distance bounced by a Cannonball. You must nominate which war machine, if any, will be using this rule each Shooting phase before any war machines within 3" of the Master Engineer are fired. A Master Engineer cannot use this special rule and shoot with his own missile weapon in the same Shooting phase."

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