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Post by grandmasterwang on Sept 26, 2022 6:25:14 GMT
++ Standard (Vampire Counts - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.1.) [2,499pts] ++ + Uncategorised + - Army Size: Army (0-2999 points) + Lords + Vlad Von Carstein [495pts]: AB - Blood Drinker, AB - The Carstein Ring, Aura of Dark Majesty, Beguile, Lore of the Vampires, Supernatural Horror, Wizard Level 3 + Heroes + Konrad von Carstein [160pts]: AB - Sword of Waldenhof, Red Fury Wight King [109pts]: Shield . Skeletal Steed: Barding + Core + Crypt Ghouls [210pts]: Champion, 20x Crypt Ghoul Dire Wolves [40pts]: 5x Dire Wolf Dire Wolves [40pts]: 5x Dire Wolf Skeleton Warriors [335pts] . Champion . Musician . 52x Skeleton Warrior: 52x Spears . Standard Bearer: BRB - Razor Standard + Special + Black Knights [290pts]: Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer . 10x Black Knight: 10x Barding, 10x Lances Hexwraiths [210pts]: 7x Hexwraith + Rare + Blood Knights [610pts]: 10x Blood Knight . Champion . Musician . Standard Bearer: AB - Flag of Blood Keep ++ Total: [2,499pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net) Themed list. 28 mounted models total. Shame I couldn't fit a Varghulf in rare due to expensive Bloodknights. This includes all my VC painted cavalry including these black knights I've picked up. Any thoughts are welcome.  |
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Post by tileag on Sept 26, 2022 20:44:47 GMT
I like it! Def one to bring for a fun friendly game
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Sept 26, 2022 21:07:02 GMT
I cannot really comment on the Army List, but ( may Sigmar forgive me) I do like your models - except for the oval bases.  |
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Post by sedge on Sept 27, 2022 21:29:09 GMT
Looks like a fun army. I always thought it a pity you couldn't get mounted von Carsteins aside from Mannfred. Vlad gets on a horse plenty of times in various books.
Two small details - no lance for your Wight King? At Strength 4, he's not putting out much damage or really adding much to the unit. If he's not carrying a banner, I'd try to make him either a tank (with a ward save) or ideally a more consistent damage dealer with a strength-boosting weapon to help you after the charge. Also, the Black Knights really benefit from Banner of the Barrows, or at least the Screaming Banner. But there's no easy way to fit either in.
I echo FvonSigmaringen's thoughts on your Black Knights - amazing looking unit.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Sept 28, 2022 1:47:03 GMT
Looks like a fun army. I always thought it a pity you couldn't get mounted von Carsteins aside from Mannfred. Vlad gets on a horse plenty of times in various books. Two small details - no lance for your Wight King? At Strength 4, he's not putting out much damage or really adding much to the unit. If he's not carrying a banner, I'd try to make him either a tank (with a ward save) or ideally a more consistent damage dealer with a strength-boosting weapon to help you after the charge. Also, the Black Knights really benefit from Banner of the Barrows, or at least the Screaming Banner. But there's no easy way to fit either in. I echo FvonSigmaringen's thoughts on your Black Knights - amazing looking unit. Thanks for the feedback. The reason for no lance is that I have that old metal mounted wight king model where he has the small sword. miniset.net/sets/gw-99800207020?language=frI try to play what I have. I agree that he lacks hitting power. Maybe I could try to tank him up but where to get the points? I double checked the book and actually had an illegal list with a too expensive banner for the skeletons (25 point cap) so have adjusted. No more armor piercing but slightly faster now. I actually have 58 total models so it works just. 625 core on the dot again. Maybe I could drop to 5 hexwraiths? I didn't paint the black knights, they came like this (hence the ovals) but it was the scheme which convinced me to spluge. Same dude did the Dire Wolves which I'm also really happy with. ++ Standard (Vampire Counts - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.1.) [2,499pts] +++ Uncategorised +- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points) + Lords +Vlad Von Carstein [495pts]: AB - Blood Drinker, AB - The Carstein Ring, Aura of Dark Majesty, Beguile, Lore of the Vampires, Supernatural Horror, Wizard Level 3 + Heroes +Konrad von Carstein [160pts]: AB - Sword of Waldenhof, Red Fury Wight King [109pts]: Shield . Skeletal Steed: Barding + Core +Crypt Ghouls [210pts]: Champion, 20x Crypt Ghoul Dire Wolves [40pts]: 5x Dire Wolf Dire Wolves [40pts]: 5x Dire Wolf Skeleton Warriors [335pts]. Champion . Musician . 58x Skeleton Warrior: 58x Spears . Standard Bearer: BRB - Banner of Swiftness + Special +Black Knights [290pts]: Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer . 10x Black Knight: 10x Barding, 10x Lances Hexwraiths [210pts]: 7x Hexwraith + Rare +Blood Knights [610pts]: 10x Blood Knight . Champion . Musician . Standard Bearer: AB - Flag of Blood Keep [2,499pts]  |
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Post by jukei on Sept 28, 2022 9:10:09 GMT
Looks like a fun army. I always thought it a pity you couldn't get mounted von Carsteins aside from Mannfred. Vlad gets on a horse plenty of times in various books. Two small details - no lance for your Wight King? At Strength 4, he's not putting out much damage or really adding much to the unit. If he's not carrying a banner, I'd try to make him either a tank (with a ward save) or ideally a more consistent damage dealer with a strength-boosting weapon to help you after the charge. Also, the Black Knights really benefit from Banner of the Barrows, or at least the Screaming Banner. But there's no easy way to fit either in. I echo FvonSigmaringen's thoughts on your Black Knights - amazing looking unit. Thanks for the feedback. The reason for no lance is that I have that old metal mounted wight king model where he has the small sword. miniset.net/sets/gw-99800207020?language=frI try to play what I have. I agree that he lacks hitting power. Maybe I could try to tank him up but where to get the points? I double checked the book and actually had an illegal list with a too expensive banner for the skeletons (25 point cap) so have adjusted. No more armor piercing but slightly faster now. I actually have 58 total models so it works just. 625 core on the dot again. Maybe I could drop to 5 hexwraiths? I didn't paint the black knights, they came like this (hence the ovals) but it was the scheme which convinced me to spluge. Same dude did the Dire Wolves which I'm also really happy with. ++ Standard (Vampire Counts - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.1.) [2,499pts] +++ Uncategorised +- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points) + Lords +Vlad Von Carstein [495pts]: AB - Blood Drinker, AB - The Carstein Ring, Aura of Dark Majesty, Beguile, Lore of the Vampires, Supernatural Horror, Wizard Level 3 + Heroes +Konrad von Carstein [160pts]: AB - Sword of Waldenhof, Red Fury Wight King [109pts]: Shield . Skeletal Steed: Barding + Core +Crypt Ghouls [210pts]: Champion, 20x Crypt Ghoul Dire Wolves [40pts]: 5x Dire Wolf Dire Wolves [40pts]: 5x Dire Wolf Skeleton Warriors [335pts]. Champion . Musician . 58x Skeleton Warrior: 58x Spears . Standard Bearer: BRB - Banner of Swiftness + Special +Black Knights [290pts]: Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer . 10x Black Knight: 10x Barding, 10x Lances Hexwraiths [210pts]: 7x Hexwraith + Rare +Blood Knights [610pts]: 10x Blood Knight . Champion . Musician . Standard Bearer: AB - Flag of Blood Keep [2,499pts] Love this kind of list! Why don t you drop a black knight and use the points for tanking the wight king? Just an idea. So the unit will still be nicely deployed with 10 elements |
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Post by grandmasterwang on Sept 29, 2022 10:51:12 GMT
Thanks for the feedback. The reason for no lance is that I have that old metal mounted wight king model where he has the small sword. miniset.net/sets/gw-99800207020?language=frI try to play what I have. I agree that he lacks hitting power. Maybe I could try to tank him up but where to get the points? I double checked the book and actually had an illegal list with a too expensive banner for the skeletons (25 point cap) so have adjusted. No more armor piercing but slightly faster now. I actually have 58 total models so it works just. 625 core on the dot again. Maybe I could drop to 5 hexwraiths? I didn't paint the black knights, they came like this (hence the ovals) but it was the scheme which convinced me to spluge. Same dude did the Dire Wolves which I'm also really happy with. ++ Standard (Vampire Counts - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.1.) [2,499pts] +++ Uncategorised +- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points) + Lords +Vlad Von Carstein [495pts]: AB - Blood Drinker, AB - The Carstein Ring, Aura of Dark Majesty, Beguile, Lore of the Vampires, Supernatural Horror, Wizard Level 3 + Heroes +Konrad von Carstein [160pts]: AB - Sword of Waldenhof, Red Fury Wight King [109pts]: Shield . Skeletal Steed: Barding + Core +Crypt Ghouls [210pts]: Champion, 20x Crypt Ghoul Dire Wolves [40pts]: 5x Dire Wolf Dire Wolves [40pts]: 5x Dire Wolf Skeleton Warriors [335pts]. Champion . Musician . 58x Skeleton Warrior: 58x Spears . Standard Bearer: BRB - Banner of Swiftness + Special +Black Knights [290pts]: Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer . 10x Black Knight: 10x Barding, 10x Lances Hexwraiths [210pts]: 7x Hexwraith + Rare +Blood Knights [610pts]: 10x Blood Knight . Champion . Musician . Standard Bearer: AB - Flag of Blood Keep [2,499pts] Love this kind of list! Why don t you drop a black knight and use the points for tanking the wight king? Just an idea. So the unit will still be nicely deployed with 10 elements I'll definitely consider it for a future list but I've only just acquired the 10 black knights and want to use the full unit at least once. What would your standard 'tank' build for a mounted wight king be? If I were to drop the Red Keep flag it would free up 75 which is considerable points. It's a tough call though with 10 bloodknights opponents will likely shoot them due to how expensive they are. |
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Post by sedge on Sept 29, 2022 20:40:05 GMT
Tank Commander: Talisman of Preservation, Enchanted Shield, lance. That's a 1+ armour save, 4++ ward.
Tank with Ablative Armour: Nightshroud, Luckstone, Ironcurse Icon, shield, lance. That's a 1+ armour save, re-roll one failed one, 6++ ward for the whole unit against warmachines, and no strength bonuses plus Always Strikes Last for any models in base contact (take that, great weapon elves).
Tank with Bulldozer Blade: as above but swap the shield and lance for a great weapon. More choppy but just a 2+ save.
Tank Destroyer: Sword of Might, Enchanted Shield, The Other Trickster's Shard, Luckstone. 1+ armour save, re-roll one failed one. Damage output is better with constant Strength 5, your inherent Killing Blow, and forcing models in base contact to re-roll successful ward saves. That adds some consistent post-charge damage to your unit.
This is assuming all are mounted.
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Post by oldmandan on Oct 1, 2022 12:07:52 GMT
Looks solid as a list, can't really see any potential weaknesses. It's difficult to say being a cannonball magnet a weakness but your using the banner so seems solid. I agree, dropping a blood knight or hexwraith to make your wight king a BSB could also be an option if you still want to give that nasty big unit of skeletons armour piercing. Apart from that let us know how it goes.
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Post by yrrdead on Oct 29, 2022 10:25:16 GMT
I personally hate offensive skeletons, they just aren't very good in 8th. Ghouls are the only offensive choice in core in my opinion. Occasionally a minimum unit of skeletons simply to get the flaming banner on the table but that is an all comer choice.
I like konrad, he's fun and not a super op choice and not a weak choice. But in this list he just doesn't "work" in my opinion. Though neither does Vlad. I also don't love a big Blood Knight unit like that. 2 5's is a better choice.
Think about a few dreadknight vamps, combine the dire wolves into a single unit for cheap ranks. Front rank is 3-4 Vamps and one dire wolf champ.
You could easily have a kind of 7th ed MSU Cavalry army. Most powerful? No but cool. 2(or 3) really powerful cavalry units. Along with black knights , which are decent and hexwraiths which are very powerful when used correctly.
I would lean harder into your cavalry theme.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Nov 2, 2022 10:52:45 GMT
I personally hate offensive skeletons, they just aren't very good in 8th. Ghouls are the only offensive choice in core in my opinion. Occasionally a minimum unit of skeletons simply to get the flaming banner on the table but that is an all comer choice. I like konrad, he's fun and not a super op choice and not a weak choice. But in this list he just doesn't "work" in my opinion. Though neither does Vlad. I also don't love a big Blood Knight unit like that. 2 5's is a better choice. Think about a few dreadknight vamps, combine the dire wolves into a single unit for cheap ranks. Front rank is 3-4 Vamps and one dire wolf champ. You could easily have a kind of 7th ed MSU Cavalry army. Most powerful? No but cool. 2(or 3) really powerful cavalry units. Along with black knights , which are decent and hexwraiths which are very powerful when used correctly. I would lean harder into your cavalry theme. I've never actually ran a Vampire/Direwolves unit. They wouldn't get Look Out Sir right as infantry vs Warbeasts. It's an interesting concept. Skeletons aren't great I agree, but miniatures wise they are my favourite of the core infantry. I've actually just picked up a few more ghouls so can increase my unit size moving forwards. I've not run a bit unit of 10 before which is why I'm trying it out. I've only recently finished painting my second lot of 5. Normally I'd include something else in Rare but the Bloodknights eat up all the points. They fit thematically imo given Vlad's nobility. |
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