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Post by jamesacon on Nov 17, 2022 21:25:43 GMT
Hey all,
I have been reading the chaos daemons tactics, especially the tzeentch stuff. And I noticed that not much is said about the exalted flamer. So I had a look at the rules and have a question.
If the exalted flamer joins a unit of flamers, does it gain skirmish? And if so, does that mean it can March and shoot with his weapon?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Nov 17, 2022 22:23:37 GMT
I am not quite sure what you are referring to. The Exalted Flamer is just the crew of a Burning Chariot of Tzeentch, and a chariot cannot join other units - unless, of course specifically stated otherwise, which is not the case here. The character "Herald of Tzeentch" will replace the Exalted Flamer, but still cannot join a unit of Flamers on 2 counts: because it is still a chariot, and because BRB p. 77 states: "A character on a mount cannot join a unit of Skirmishers."
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Post by sonofkurnos on Nov 17, 2022 22:45:34 GMT
I am not quite sure what you are referring to. The Exalted Flamer is just the crew of a Burning Chariot of Tzeentch, and a chariot cannot join other units - unless, of course specifically stated otherwise, which is not the case here. The character "Herald of Tzeentch" will replace the Exalted Flamer, but still cannot join a unit of Flamers on 2 counts: because it is still a chariot, and because BRB p. 77 states: "A character on a mount cannot join a unit of Skirmishers." Exalted Flamers on foot got rules for 40k and fantasy in one of the Warhammer Weekly's of the time. Added picture below for reference but they essentially are 90 PT heroes who chuck out flame cannon shots or grapeshot shots with the warflame special rule  As to the OPs question yes they can join a unit which skirmishes and they all skirmish together 👍 |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Nov 17, 2022 22:59:34 GMT
Well, it may require the agreement of your opponent. And when I read Battlescroll....
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Post by jamesacon on Nov 18, 2022 1:21:25 GMT
The rules for it are also in the FAQ.
Thanks for the replies! That's good to know, have some plans to make now.
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Post by DiscoQing on Nov 18, 2022 7:22:40 GMT
The rules for it are also in the FAQ. Thanks for the replies! That's good to know, have some plans to make now. was about to type this hehe |
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Post by johngg on Dec 14, 2022 14:42:03 GMT
Did OP ever get answered?
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Post by gangland on Dec 14, 2022 14:54:04 GMT
Looks like the FAQ for Daemons states it can move and fire but not march.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Dec 14, 2022 16:17:53 GMT
The last DoC Update Version (of 2015!) has an amendment adding the Exalted Flamer character, with the rules as in the WD sonofkurnos posted. As a character, he can join a unit of Skirmishers, and will thus gain the Skirmisher special rule himself. Since his weapon is not Move or Fire, he then "can even shoot if they marched or reformed earlier in the turn"(BRB p. 77). |
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Post by johngg on Dec 15, 2022 13:21:01 GMT
The last DoC Update Version (of 2015!) has an amendment adding the Exalted Flamer character, with the rules as in the WD sonofkurnos posted. As a character, he can join a unit of Skirmishers, and will thus gain the Skirmisher special rule himself. Since his weapon is not Move or Fire, he then "can even shoot if they marched or reformed earlier in the turn"(BRB p. 77). Excellent thanks. A follow up if I may. If I understand correctly, there is no restriction to stand and shoot reaction when charged. How do we think this would work out?? for both modes of shooting? |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Dec 15, 2022 13:57:27 GMT
As you can see in the picture of the rules above, Pink & Blue Fire have the Slow to Fire special rule - so, no S&S.
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Post by johngg on Dec 20, 2022 10:58:23 GMT
Well that was an own goal on my behalf!
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Dec 20, 2022 15:05:08 GMT
Come to think of it, even if it would not have been specified as such, they still would have the Slow to Fire special rule, since BRB p. 109 (updated) states: "Unless specified otherwise, all weapons in this section (and all other weapons mounted on war machines) have the Move or Fire and Slow to Fire special rules." Fire throwers and grapeshot are "weapons in this section," and Pink & Blue Fire do have a specific exemption for Move or Fire, but not for Slow to Fire.
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