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Post by IbnSeesAll on Jan 12, 2023 16:56:45 GMT
Quick question: If Hellebron/her unit are targeted by a friendly augment spell does the Dark Elf player's opponent get to add +4 to their dispel attempt?
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Post by johngg on Jan 12, 2023 20:50:44 GMT
Quick question: If Hellebron/her unit are targeted by a friendly augment spell does the Dark Elf player's opponent get to add +4 to their dispel attempt? What's the thinking here? Why do we think they would get +4 to dispel. |
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Post by 1plussave on Jan 12, 2023 21:15:35 GMT
Quick question: If Hellebron/her unit are targeted by a friendly augment spell does the Dark Elf player's opponent get to add +4 to their dispel attempt? What's the thinking here? Why do we think they would get +4 to dispel. The Amulet of Dark Fire's wording, as I recall, specifies that All Dispel Attempts against Spells that Target a Unit bearing the Amulet gain a +4 to Dispel. The Key part being "All", with no qualifier for "The Owning Players..." or "In the Opponents Magic Phase". Edit: Including this in the post might have made it easier to get answers, just saying. |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jan 13, 2023 3:06:26 GMT
The answer to this and similar questions is the following FAQ (often overlooked, since somewhat hidden under "Choosing Your Army):
BRB Official Update Version 1.9, p.12:
Q: It’s not uncommon for special rules or spells to beneficially affect models of a certain type. If my opponent’s army also has such models, can they be affected too? What about allied units on my own side? (p132 & p136)
A: Special rules and spells such as this only ever affect friendly units from their own army, and will not affect enemy or allied units that happen to be in range.
The model of a certain type being a Wizard here.
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Post by DiscoQing on Jan 13, 2023 8:56:28 GMT
What if the units were made of Night Goblins?
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Post by IbnSeesAll on Jan 13, 2023 13:22:08 GMT
What's the thinking here? Why do we think they would get +4 to dispel. The Amulet of Dark Fire's wording, as I recall, specifies that All Dispel Attempts against Spells that Target a Unit bearing the Amulet gain a +4 to Dispel. The Key part being "All", with no qualifier for "The Owning Players..." or "In the Opponents Magic Phase". Edit: Including this in the post might have made it easier to get answers, just saying. Good point, sorry for not putting sufficient detail in the original question. |
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Post by IbnSeesAll on Jan 13, 2023 13:24:07 GMT
The answer to this and similar questions is the following FAQ (often overlooked, since somewhat hidden under "Choosing Your Army): BRB Official Update Version 1.9, p.12: Q: It’s not uncommon for special rules or spells to beneficially affect models of a certain type. If my opponent’s army also has such models, can they be affected too? What about allied units on my own side? (p132 & p136) A: Special rules and spells such as this only ever affect friendly units from their own army, and will not affect enemy or allied units that happen to be in range. The model of a certain type being a Wizard here. Thanks for clarifying. You'd of thought that since I went to the effort to make myself a book with all the FAQs, Amendments and Errata in I would be able to find the information I need, but alas that's not the case. |
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Post by johngg on Jan 13, 2023 17:31:47 GMT
What's the thinking here? Why do we think they would get +4 to dispel. The Amulet of Dark Fire's wording, as I recall, specifies that All Dispel Attempts against Spells that Target a Unit bearing the Amulet gain a +4 to Dispel. The Key part being "All", with no qualifier for "The Owning Players..." or "In the Opponents Magic Phase". Edit: Including this in the post might have made it easier to get answers, just saying. ahh gotcha, now I see the issue. Thanks! 1+Sv |
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Post by johngg on Jan 13, 2023 17:36:37 GMT
The answer to this and similar questions is the following FAQ (often overlooked, since somewhat hidden under "Choosing Your Army): BRB Official Update Version 1.9, p.12: Q: It’s not uncommon for special rules or spells to beneficially affect models of a certain type. If my opponent’s army also has such models, can they be affected too? What about allied units on my own side? (p132 & p136) A: Special rules and spells such as this only ever affect friendly units from their own army, and will not affect enemy or allied units that happen to be in range. The model of a certain type being a Wizard here. Thanks for clarifying. You'd of thought that since I went to the effort to make myself a book with all the FAQs, Amendments and Errata in I would be able to find the information I need, but alas that's not the case. making book, good. Reading book, best! |
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Post by 1plussave on Jan 13, 2023 22:58:07 GMT
A point to consider here though; in this case the Amulets wording almost seems to deliberately avoid referring to models and instead just calls out the Dispel Attempt.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jan 14, 2023 12:16:29 GMT
1plussave : For good reason. Although Wizards are usually nominated to dispel, the army itself can attempt to dispel too. So, it would be more correct to speak about "models that can attempt to dispel," rather than "Wizards." I would apply the same rule here in any case, if only for reasons of consistency.
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