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Post by mannfredvc on Mar 26, 2023 9:49:50 GMT
Dear readers,
Last night in a friendly game the following came up;
My giant charged a slaughtermaster in the flank.
My friend claimed that a single character doesnt have rear/flanks. So no +1 cr for that. As the combar ended in a draw iam now curious as how that would have been done correct.
We checked the rules but were unable to find a answer in a few minutes, so we played with his claim.
What do you guys think?
Wfb rocks!
Regards,
Mark
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Mar 26, 2023 10:29:06 GMT
He was wrong. Unless specifically stated otherwise, normal rules apply.
BRB p. 5: "A model has a forward, flank and rear arc based on the direction that it is facing." Since there is no exemption stated anywhere for models that are characters, the normal rule applies.
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Post by Luigino on Mar 26, 2023 12:37:30 GMT
Semi-related, but back in the day I had a couple of opponents who would take advantage of this.
Since a lot of models on 20mm/25 mm bases are often positioned diagonally (as they wouldn't rank up if placed straight on the base), they basically had what I called shifting frontage.
Is my hero looking right or straight ahead?
It always depended on what was more convenient at the moment. And they'd try and claim that an a front charge counted as a side one or a side one should be counted as a rear one.
I resorted, at least for my miniatures, to have F,S,and R painted on the edges of the bases.
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Post by mannfredvc on Mar 26, 2023 13:00:00 GMT
Thanks, F i see it now its stated clearly.
Ha Luigino,
That seems not a friendly thing to do but i remember things like that from my time at a wfb play club. Its just not in the spirit of the game.
Regards!
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Mar 26, 2023 13:02:52 GMT
mannfredvc: On a general note: Even if you had spent more time for finding the answer, it is always extremely difficult to find what is not there. If someone claims an exemption to the normal rules, he must be able to prove that such an exemption exists. If he cannot (for whatever reason), the most logical and equitable thing then is to play according to the normal rules.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Mar 26, 2023 13:06:24 GMT
On a side note: the F stands for Fidelis, but the username does not have enough room for the full Christian name to be squeezed in.
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Post by mannfredvc on Mar 26, 2023 13:20:30 GMT
Hehe ok Fidelis.
You got a point, but even after all those years we run in those kind of things from time to time. Perhaps he was thinking of an old edition or something.
It was a great game so an evening well spent.
Regards
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Post by Luigino on Mar 26, 2023 14:03:48 GMT
Thanks, F i see it now its stated clearly. Ha Luigino, That seems not a friendly thing to do but I remember things like that from my time at a wfb play club. Its just not in the spirit of the game. Regards! It definitely wasn't! As if they needed any questionable tactic to win my easily outmaneuvered dwarfs. sometimes I feel like arguing and trying to bend the rules is, for some people, an hobby in and of itself. |
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Post by grandmasterwang on Mar 26, 2023 17:52:34 GMT
Hehe ok Fidelis. You got a point, but even after all those years we run in those kind of things from time to time. Perhaps he was thinking of an old edition or something. It was a great game so an evening well spent. Regards You had fun, thats the main thing 😀 Welcome to eefl. |
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Post by wundapantz on Mar 28, 2023 9:27:53 GMT
If they previously had played vampire counts, the Varghulf has a rule that it has no flanks (bestial fury).
But if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say this misinterpretation came from the section "lone models and movement" on page 27 of the BRB, where the unlimited free pivot in movement is discussed.
The thing to remember is you can be wrong and think you're right, without I'll intent. I believed that trolls had swiftstride for a long time... And when I discovered they didn't, i was sure they must have had in a previous edition.. and I was wrong again.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Mar 29, 2023 8:33:54 GMT
If they previously had played vampire counts, the Varghulf has a rule that it has no flanks (bestial fury). But if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say this misinterpretation came from the section "lone models and movement" on page 27 of the BRB, where the unlimited free pivot in movement is discussed. The thing to remember is you can be wrong and think you're right, without I'll intent. I believed that trolls had swiftstride for a long time... And when I discovered they didn't, i was sure they must have had in a previous edition.. and I was wrong again. Wait Varghulfs lost that rule in 8th? So they can be flanked now? I remember they got 2 extra initiative but thought that was the only change. |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Mar 29, 2023 8:38:27 GMT
grandmasterwang : Just like in 7th, they do have flanks and rear, except for "the purposes of calculating combat result bonuses."
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