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noblekorhedron
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In the service of Karl Franz - three 1000 pts Empire lists Jan 10, 2017 16:42:53 GMT

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Post by noblekorhedron on Jan 10, 2017 16:42:53 GMT

Hi all. I was trying to aim for reasonably balanced lists, but due to the small point level, they are probably biased towards either missiles(incl. war machines) or infantry. I have accepted this as an inevitable part of small-game lists, so would appreciate comments on the lists as they are, although suggestions for changes are welcome, provided you add up your points correctly! :icon_wink:

Also, to clarify one thing; I realise some of the percentages might seem wrong, however, I have been told that unless under a comp system, such as in ETC, you're free to go over 25% Heroes and Lords, whether playing an 'End Times' game or not; so I have taken advantage of that in certain lists, in that my Heroes total may be nominally above the 25% threshold.....

The Nordmark Garrison
Player: Robert Tedders
Race: The Empire (Men).
Army: The Nordmark Garrison.
Points: 999 pts
Magic Lores: Fire

Heroes:
Wizard Georg Hoffman with Lv. 2, a Dispel scroll, the Talisman of Protection and the Lore of Fire. 140 pts

Capt. Hans Hols with h' weapon, great weapon, Battle Standard and the Armour of Metoric Iron. 141 pts

Heroes total: 281 pts/28.10 %

Core:
10 Crossbowmen. 90 pts

20 Swordsmen with standard and musician. 160 pts

20 Spearmen with shields, standard and musician. 140 pts
Detachment: 10 Handgunners. 90 pts

Core total: 480 pts/48.00 %

Special:
Gt. Cannon and 3 crew. 120 pts

6 Pistoliers with musician. 118 pts

Special total: 238 pts/23.80 %

The Schlacthusen Relief Force
Player: Robert Tedders
Race: The Empire (Men)
Army: The Schlacthausen Relief Force
Points: 999 pts
Magic Lore(s): -

Hero(es):
Fr. Gottfried March with great weapon and the Armour of Destiny. 120 pts

Captain Gottfried Hiltz with full plate, Enchanted shield, the Dawnstone and the Battle Standard. 121 pts

Hero(es) total: 241 pts/24.10 %

Core:
10 Crossbowmen. 90 pts

20 Spearmen with shields, standard and musician. 140 pts
Detachment: 10 Handgunners. 90 pts

20 Halberdiers with shields, standard and musician. 160 pts
Detachment: 10 Archers. 70 pts

Core total: 550 pts/55.00 %

Special:
Mortar with 3 crew 100 pts

6 Pistoliers with musician. 118 pts

Special total: 208 pts/20.80 %

The Waldenhof Garrison
Player: Robert Tedders
Race: The Empire (Men)
Army: The Waldenhof Garrison
Points: 999 pts
Magic Lore(s): Fire.

Hero(es):
Wizard Bart Von Lenk with Lv. 2, the Talisman of Protection, a Dispel scroll and the Lore of Fire. 140 pts
Captain Garth Gunderson with great weapon, the Armour of Meteoric Iron and the Battle Standard. 141 pts

Hero(es) total: 281 pts/(28.10) %

Core:
10 Handgunners and marksman with Repeater handgun. 110 pts

30 Halberdiers with shields, standard and musician. 230 pts

20 Swordsmen with standard and musician. 160 pts

Core total: 500 pts/50.00 %

Special:
6 Pistoliers with musician. 118 pts

Mortar and 3 crew. 100 pts

Special total: 218 pts/21.80 %

frozenfood God Posts: 923	In the service of Karl Franz - three 1000 pts Empire lists Jan 10, 2017 19:02:48 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by frozenfood on Jan 10, 2017 19:02:48 GMT Hi, What kind of armies will you be playing? What is Fr. Gottfried March, a general? I would take the great cannon over the mortar any day, it targets monsters and big units.
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In the service of Karl Franz - three 1000 pts Empire lists Jan 10, 2017 23:42:29 GMT

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Post by livewaaaaagh on Jan 10, 2017 23:42:29 GMT

I echo frozenfood. Are you going for an all-comers list or are you playing specific opponents?

Also agree cannon > mortar, but I sort of like the 3rd list the best with the bigger block of troops.

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In the service of Karl Franz - three 1000 pts Empire lists Jan 11, 2017 0:26:15 GMT via Tapatalk

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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Jan 11, 2017 0:26:15 GMT

I absolutely love that you've named your guys. Please post pics, I want to see what these distinguished gentlemen look like.

My armies:
Khorne Ogres: eefl.freeforums.net/thread/2179/c
DeathGuard: eefl.freeforums.net/thread/626/d
Crimson Fists: eefl.freeforums.net/thread/569/crimson-fist-army-log
Undead: eefl.freeforums.net/thread/88/undead-legion-vampire-counts-army
WoC: eefl.freeforums.net/thread/23/khorne-warrior-army-showcase
Stormcast: eefl.freeforums.net/thread/26/stormcast-project-log
Empire: eefl.freeforums.net/thread/50/empire-army-showcase

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In the service of Karl Franz - three 1000 pts Empire lists Jan 11, 2017 4:08:50 GMT

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Post by Naitsabes on Jan 11, 2017 4:08:50 GMT

I don't know about the BSB. yes that re-roll is nice and a must have in 2000pt+ lists. but, at this point level I think you are better of with the cheap Lord. Should come out pretty close point-wise and will give you Ld9 for any kind of test within the 12" bubble as opposed to the BSB re-roll which of course will only help with break tests. The Lord also has 3 wounds which helps a lot in terms of survival.

The other thing to consider is small knight units. in small point games that 1+ armor is hard to deal with for many armies (in fact, I would say too many knights are decidedly unfriendly). five or six with musician (or even with full command) are a really good choice.

I agree with others on the mortar. Now the thing about the cannon at this point level is that it will either do nothing or win you the game depending on dice which isn't too rewarding for either player. if you drop the war machine and one pistolier that should almost be enough for a little knight units.

just some thoughts. let us know how it goes.

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In the service of Karl Franz - three 1000 pts Empire lists Jan 11, 2017 13:42:00 GMT

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Post by noblekorhedron on Jan 11, 2017 13:42:00 GMT

Hmm, I'll have to sit down and think about some of your points, especially Naitsabes' post, but as for the stuff I can answer quickly, they're meant as 'all-comers' lists, and frozenfood 'Fr.' stands for 'Father', as he's a Warrior priest....

Also, how do I follow this thread; by which I mean how do I turn on notification of replies?

Last Edit: Jan 11, 2017 19:53:03 GMT by noblekorhedron

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In the service of Karl Franz - three 1000 pts Empire lists Jan 14, 2017 1:11:20 GMT

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Post by dannytee on Jan 14, 2017 1:11:20 GMT

I like that you name your armies and characters. One of the official FAQ's that came out during the end times book releases changed lord and hero percentages from 25% each to 50% each. This was separate from the Nagash book. So yes, you are right that per the official rules you are allowed to go over 25% lord and 25% hero (even if not playing with end times rules). All three armies look playable and enjoyable to me.

Naitsabes God Posts: 1,896	In the service of Karl Franz - three 1000 pts Empire lists Jan 14, 2017 3:51:12 GMT KevinC likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Naitsabes on Jan 14, 2017 3:51:12 GMT and that FAQ (along with all the others) is of course available on the best place for 8th edition in the whole wide world: link

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In the service of Karl Franz - three 1000 pts Empire lists Jan 14, 2017 9:33:54 GMT

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Post by dannytee on Jan 14, 2017 9:33:54 GMT

Jan 11, 2017 4:08:50 GMT Naitsabes said:

I don't know about the BSB. yes that re-roll is nice and a must have in 2000pt+ lists. but, at this point level I think you are better of with the cheap Lord. Should come out pretty close point-wise and will give you Ld9 for any kind of test within the 12" bubble as opposed to the BSB re-roll which of course will only help with break tests. The Lord also has 3 wounds which helps a lot in terms of survival.

The BSB re-roll is actually usable for all leadership tests. I think what you say above was true in prior editions. Regardless I would agree that in a 1,000 point army that you could leave the BSB out if you had something else you really wanted to spend the point on.

Naitsabes God Posts: 1,896	In the service of Karl Franz - three 1000 pts Empire lists Jan 15, 2017 3:51:43 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Naitsabes on Jan 15, 2017 3:51:43 GMT You are right. So sad to see my mad skillz and knowledge deteriorate due to lack of practice.

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In the service of Karl Franz - three 1000 pts Empire lists Jan 17, 2017 15:09:37 GMT via Tapatalk

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Post by grandmasterwang on Jan 17, 2017 15:09:37 GMT

I like all of the lists to be honest. They all look like they would be fun to play as and against. I think they are all quite balanced.

Like others would definitely like to see pictures of these guys. Just setting up an army can be fun and can actually help when choosing which of them you would most like to play.

I like the fondness for fire magic your wizards seem to have.

On the hero side... I'm not sure what Garth Gunderson would think of Hans Hols jacking his style

My favourite is actually the magicless relief force (second list). Theme ftw!

On the cannon vs mortar point there are actually occasions (especially in small battles) where mortars can be very effective (yes...Internet says no.. I know)... However this is largely matchup dependent however the possibility is there if the circumstances are right. For example I have wrecked both a High and Dark elf army using my mates empire army with 2 mortars and a shadow wizard to lower the already low Elven toughness. In most cases a cannon will be better but that large mortar template can be a blessing.

If I was to tweak the relief list it would be to use the unit of 30 Halbediers from the third list and put the two melee heroes in there to make a really solid block. I would do this by ditching the mortar (mortar will slow the relief force down from delivering aid as it is by far the slowest element).

In the service of Karl Franz - three 1000 pts Empire lists

Post by noblekorhedron on Jan 10, 2017 16:42:53 GMT

Post by frozenfood on Jan 10, 2017 19:02:48 GMT

Post by livewaaaaagh on Jan 10, 2017 23:42:29 GMT

Post by TheREALricksalamone on Jan 11, 2017 0:26:15 GMT

Post by Naitsabes on Jan 11, 2017 4:08:50 GMT

Post by noblekorhedron on Jan 11, 2017 13:42:00 GMT

Post by dannytee on Jan 14, 2017 1:11:20 GMT

Post by Naitsabes on Jan 14, 2017 3:51:12 GMT

Post by dannytee on Jan 14, 2017 9:33:54 GMT

Post by Naitsabes on Jan 15, 2017 3:51:43 GMT

Post by grandmasterwang on Jan 17, 2017 15:09:37 GMT