shoe
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Post by shoe on Jul 29, 2023 15:14:04 GMT
Pretty simple question really, can skaven units get a strength in numbers bonus for leadership tests outside of combat (panic checks, terror checks, etc). I suppose the question is can a unit have a rank bonus outside of combat? I did some looking and couldn't see anything either way so I thought I'd ask here, cheers.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jul 29, 2023 16:18:03 GMT
Yes.
Skaven Official Update Version 1.7, p.1:
Page 33 – Strength in Numbers.
Change the second sentence of the first paragraph to “Units with the Strength in Numbers special rule add their current rank bonus to their Leadership value for any Leadership test.”
Note that the erratum was needed to clarify that not "all Skaven units" get the bonus. That the bonus applies to any Ld test was already in the original AB text.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jul 29, 2023 16:46:02 GMT
To add: all the latest - and also last - official update versions can be found here.
I did some looking and couldn't see anything either way so I thought I'd ask here, cheers. EEFL is, in fact, one of the best places for asking. |
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Jul 29, 2023 17:52:51 GMT
Yes. Skaven Official Update Version 1.7, p.1: Page 33 – Strength in Numbers. Change the second sentence of the first paragraph to “Units with the Strength in Numbers special rule add their current rank bonus to their Leadership value for any Leadership test.” Note that the erratum was needed to clarify that not "all Skaven units" get the bonus. That the bonus applies to any Ld test was already in the original AB text. Yep I got that, my main point of contention was whether a unit can be said to have a "rank bonus" if it's not in combat. The rules for calculating extra ranks is entirely self contained within the calculating combat result section after all. Or am I missing something. |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jul 29, 2023 22:32:08 GMT
Ah, I see where you are coming from. There is a difference between the "Extra Ranks" special rule for calculating CR, and the SiN special rule, which does not have a CC requirement at all. Indeed, the example given on Skaven AB p.33, simply says "a 15 model strong unit of Clanrats (Ld 5) deployed in three ranks of 5 would receive a 2+ rank bonus for a Leadership of 7." And precisely because they are not the same, they had to add the following FAQ:
Skaven Official Update Version 1.7, p.5:
Q: Does a disrupted unit with the Strength In Numbers special rule
get to add its rank bonus to its Leadership? (p33)
A: No.
Q: Is the Leadership bonus from Strength in Numbers limited to a
maximum of 3? (p33)
A: Yes.
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Post by karnus on Jul 30, 2023 5:14:14 GMT
And precisely because they are not the same, they had to add the following FAQ: Skaven Official Update Version 1.7, p.5: Q: Does a disrupted unit with the Strength In Numbers special rule get to add its rank bonus to its Leadership? (p33) A: No. Q: Is the Leadership bonus from Strength in Numbers limited to a maximum of 3? (p33) A: Yes. That first bit is very, very interesting, and something I’ve not known/we haven’t played before… |
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Post by pete on Jul 30, 2023 10:15:58 GMT
Does this mean that a large unit of Plague Censor Bearers could gain their own leadership bonus so long as they aren’t in close combat (to help with Frenzy checks)?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jul 30, 2023 12:19:31 GMT
pete: Yes, in or out of CC, as long as their rank bonus is not lost for some reason.
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Post by pete on Jul 30, 2023 13:50:27 GMT
Just to clarify, Plague Censer Bearers are the only skirmishers in the Skaven book with both Skirmishes and SiN. Skirmishers “always count as having zero ranks [in combat]”. That said, I cannot think of a good use for how this rule might help on the tabletop.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jul 30, 2023 15:02:24 GMT
pete: Quite! I forgot that they are Skirmishers. My memory is not what it never used to be.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jul 30, 2023 16:14:07 GMT
shoe: In case you still have some doubts, the choice of example in the last paragraph confirms that SiN does not apply only to units in CC. Skaven AB p. 33: "If for any reason a Skaven unit loses its rank bonus, it also loses its Leadership bonus. For instance, fleeing units do not have a rank bonus, so fleeing Skaven must use their basic Leadership." Fleeing units are taken as an example here, not because they are not in CC, but because fleeing units "have broken formation" and, ruleswise, do not have ranks anymore.
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