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Post by Anaris on Mar 13, 2017 2:23:39 GMT
Does the WoC chariot count as movement 7 even though it's listed as 8 but uses chaos steed? People say it's 7 because of barding, but in the entry it doesn't say barded.
Apparently from other forums it only moves 7
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Post by Naitsabes on Mar 13, 2017 4:37:05 GMT
I think that other forum is right. The rulebook is quite clear that barding does -1 to your movement. Next you'll want chaos knights to have move 8 as well? Be slow but relentless for it is the way of chaos.
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Mar 13, 2017 9:36:29 GMT
Chariot is 8 as far as I know.
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Post by Anaris on Mar 13, 2017 12:28:30 GMT
I think that other forum is right. The rulebook is quite clear that barding does -1 to your movement. Next you'll want chaos knights to have move 8 as well? Be slow but relentless for it is the way of chaos. Yes, barding is -1 movement. But in the warriors of chaos book it does not say a chariot has barding. |
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Post by Anaris on Mar 13, 2017 12:30:20 GMT
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Post by Anaris on Mar 13, 2017 12:32:38 GMT
Someone said their is an faq somewhere, but it's not from GW.
I played against boldo last night with my new WoC army and he and another guy who has been playing for 20 years and is a 8th edition die hard said that's how he has always played it and WoC is the only army this guy has. He's a tournament player too.
I see mixed responses about the movement Ok other forums. I mean I want to have a friendly game so I'm not going to argue if that's how people have played it longer then I've been alive but still lol
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Post by Anaris on Mar 13, 2017 12:42:27 GMT
Quote Post Goto Top MyNameDidntFit May 10 2013, 01:09 AM Post #27 The Dark Prince Posts: 884 Group: Members Member #3,900 Joined: June 10, 2012 Aye. Chariots do not have barding. If your opponents insist on them being M7, you just insist on them having a 2+ armour save. Chaos Armour + Mounted + Barding = 2+  |
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Post by gjnoronh on Mar 13, 2017 13:49:48 GMT
Move 8 I believe I'll have to pull out my books but that screenshot is pretty definitive. Unless there was a FAQ I've forgotten.
Actually as an EEFL project it might be nice to collate all the old official 8th ed FAQ and unofficial ones. I've got the ETC one from 2015 on my hard drive at home (as I recall included GW's and some unofficial stuff with foot notes indicating where the source was) if you guys want it.
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Post by Anaris on Mar 13, 2017 13:59:46 GMT
Move 8 I believe I'll have to pull out my books but that screenshot is pretty definitive. Unless there was a FAQ I've forgotten. Actually as an EEFL project it might be nice to collate all the old official 8th ed FAQ and unofficial ones. I've got the ETC one from 2015 on my hard drive at home (as I recall included GW's and some unofficial stuff with foot notes indicating where the source was) if you guys want it. Nope the faq does not mention a change And yes I would like the etc thing please, thank you. |
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Post by grandmasterwang on Mar 13, 2017 14:49:00 GMT
I thought it was movement 7, we have always played them that way including in my local GW. Chariot armor save is 4+, barred steeds improve it to 3+
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Post by Anaris on Mar 13, 2017 15:00:49 GMT
I thought it was movement 7, we have always played them that way including in my local GW. Chariot armor save is 4+, barred steeds improve it to 3+ Is this a carry over from how it was done in a prior edition like 7th? Because high elf chariot is 5+, the lion is 4+. Chaos has armor of 4+, the chariot does nothing for it. +1 for being mounted on a chariot. +1 additional for barding, but out doesn't say a chaos chariot has barding! If you also look at the rules for characters on a chariot they get +1 for being mounted. Also no where does it say the chariot has barding. Only thing I can see people are going by is under Lord/hero mounts you can only take a barded steed. But that's not the end all. Chaos knights are on a steed and have barding under equipment. On chaos chariot it does not have barding. |
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Post by Anaris on Mar 13, 2017 15:02:22 GMT
Is there any other chariot to compare it to? That may have barded mounts?
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Post by grandmasterwang on Mar 13, 2017 15:23:11 GMT
I thought it was movement 7, we have always played them that way including in my local GW. Chariot armor save is 4+, barred steeds improve it to 3+ Is this a carry over from how it was done in a prior edition like 7th? Because high elf chariot is 5+, the lion is 4+. Chaos has armor of 4+, the chariot does nothing for it. +1 for being mounted on a chariot. +1 additional for barding, but out doesn't say a chaos chariot has barding! If you also look at the rules for characters on a chariot they get +1 for being mounted. Also no where does it say the chariot has barding. Only thing I can see people are going by is under Lord/hero mounts you can only take a barded steed. But that's not the end all. Chaos knights are on a steed and have barding under equipment. On chaos chariot it does not have barding. Not a hold over for us, 4+ is the standard save for chariots such as lion, beastmen and orc. 5+ is a special reduced save for the flimsier movement 9 chariots of high elves and goblins as well as the tomb kings chariot legions. Settra's Chariot of the Gods only has a 4+ armor save. The 3+ is a special save for the sturdiest chariots of all including chaos with their barded mounts and iirc the cold one chariots with their thickened skin being the equivalent of barding. ...Then there are the feared and incomparable Gorebeast chariots.....  One day it will be painted and ready to field.... One day.... |
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Post by grandmasterwang on Mar 13, 2017 15:38:14 GMT
I took it as a given that the chaos horses had barding as they always have barding. I honestly never really even considered the possibility of them being the fastest chaos horses? I don't have my WOC book in front of me but if a lord/hero takes a Chaos steed doesn't it come with barding? It doesn't make sense for the chariot pulling chaos steeds to be the only ones faster than all their other horses. I just assumed chaos steeds meant barded chaos steeds or GW had made one of their far too common accidental omissions or boo boos.
I remember the GW store guy who played WOC describing it as "chaos horses are the toughest horses in the game and the best equipped and armored". He played them movement 7 so I just took it as given once I eventually started collecting a limited WOC army.
From a lore standpoint I always wondered who armored their horses? Chaos dwarfs make the Warrior armor and if marauders could make half decent armor for horses then why wouldn't they make half decent armor for themselves?
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Post by gjnoronh on Mar 13, 2017 15:52:11 GMT
No barding listed in the rules - so it's move 7 8 (and armor save 3+) EDITED TO FIX TYPO !
The armor saves for the chariots in books released in 8th (not beastmen) reflect the armor save of the troops +1 for being mounted +a possible extra bonuses for certain mounts.
As noted if the horses were 'per the rules' barded then the chaos chariot would be 2+ armor save (Warriors chaos armor is 4+, mounted gets you to 3+)
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