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Post by strutsagget on Apr 20, 2018 6:31:27 GMT
Can I choose side to attack a war machine as it downy have flanks as long I follow the rules of a charge?
Example warp cannon is placed 1” behind some rats.
A flying unit with a base that doesn't fit between cannon and rats charges. If it can charge and wheel once with less them 90deg can it charge cannons side even though it would be front of a cannon if the cannon had a base?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Apr 20, 2018 8:25:26 GMT
As it says on BRB p. 109: "As a war machine does not have a base, units charging a war machine do not have to 'close the door' to align — they just have to complete the charge in such a manner that they are touching the war machine's body (as defined in 'The War Machine' above)."
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Post by vulcan on Apr 20, 2018 23:29:37 GMT
It's cheddar as all get-out, but rules-legal. Don't expect to make many friends doing it.
Of course, if the Skaven player has gone full-on cheddar in his list, then it becomes 'turnabout is fair play'.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Apr 21, 2018 8:54:11 GMT
IMHO, anything that is expressis verbis allowed by the rules cannot be considered cheddar.
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Post by vulcan on Apr 21, 2018 19:23:23 GMT
Your opinion.
If it breaks verisimilitude, it's not a good rule in the first place. And if playing it as written results in people not wanting to play a second game with you, well, that speaks for itself.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Apr 21, 2018 22:31:57 GMT
What is the verisimilitude of the normal charging rules? Precious little. I do not like e.g. the ASF rules of the HE, nor the rules that result in Skaven Slaves having a Leadership of 10. But it is true: if I did not want to play a second game against a HE or Skaven player, because they wanted play it as written, that would speak for itself.
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Post by vulcan on Apr 23, 2018 0:20:27 GMT
What is the verisimilitude of the normal charging rules? Precious little. I do not like e.g. the ASF rules of the HE, nor the rules that result in Skaven Slaves having a Leadership of 10. But it is true: if I did not want to play a second game against a HE or Skaven player, because they wanted play it as written, that would speak for itself. No. Argument. There. |
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Post by gregwarhamsters on Apr 23, 2018 6:35:24 GMT
So was that a yes or no?
Personally I like straight answers.
Q:
A: Yes/No
Because....
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Post by strutsagget on Apr 23, 2018 6:55:31 GMT
I have no problem following BRB in my playgroup. Not sure what's the cheese is about. WM are pretty powered to begin with  |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Apr 23, 2018 8:25:11 GMT
So was that a yes or no? Personally I like straight answers. Q: A: Yes/No Because.... 😊 Basically, it boils down to the following question (which I have dealt with at length in an earlier thread on war machines and shooting): Q: Do war machines have facings ( i.e. a front, flank and rear arc)? A: No. As the facing of a model or unit is determined by its base, models without bases do not have facings, unless specified otherwise. Even if one were to assume that all models must have facings in theory, in the case of war machines, no method is provided to determine what their arcs are (with one exception that proves the rule). Either war machines do not have facings, or, if they do have them in theory, they are irrelevant, as they cannot be determined in practice. This is the short answer. As I said, there is a longer answer, dealing with all possible objections in the earlier thread. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 20:33:30 GMT
Can I choose side to attack a war machine as it downy have flanks as long I follow the rules of a charge? Example warp cannon is placed 1” behind some rats. A flying unit with a base that doesn't fit between cannon and rats charges. If it can charge and wheel once with less them 90deg can it charge cannons side even though it would be front of a cannon if the cannon had a base? How I handle it: You don't close the door when you charge against a warmachine as they don't have bases. The warp lightning cannon typically comes on a base but I would ignore it for these purposes. When you charge you remain facing the same direction that you initially make contact with the warmachine. If you charge it in it's front at some kind of angle then you remain. at. that. angle. Now as part of a charge you get a free 90 degree wheel. If you don't like the angle that you would make contact with the warmachine with then use. that. wheel. during the charge to angle yourself in a direction that you want to be after the combat is over. Here's what I'm thinking: Rather than do this:  do this!  Hopefully that makes sense. |
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Post by gregwarhamsters on Apr 25, 2018 22:53:01 GMT
So, cutting to the chase, instead of hitting it straight on I can move my unit (say peg knights) to a "flank" and instead of going off the table I could continue into maybe another warmachine.
I get the logic, kinda cheesey but I can live with that...
Greg
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