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Post by strutsagget on Jun 25, 2018 5:15:15 GMT
So if I shoot with a magma cannon (teardrop template) aiming at top/roof of a building. Can I hit units behind the building if template stretches outside the building?
I find rules about inside:
”TEMPLATE WEAPONS
Weapons that use a template, such as a stone thrower or cannon, inflict D6 hits on any unit in a building that is touched by the template. If a building is hit by a stone thrower, these hits are resolved at the higher Strength only if the centre of the template lies over the building, otherwise the lower Strength is used instead.”
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jun 25, 2018 8:16:48 GMT
There does not seem to be a general rule for template weapons. Therefore, it differs depending on the template weapon and its specific rules.
The rules for the Cannon specify on p. 109: "If the cannonball bounces into impassable terrain that would, in reality, stand in the way of the shot, such as a sheer cliff, it stops immediately." Note that before the bounce, the cannoball can travel through a building, but does not hit anything.
The rules for the Stone Thrower specify on p. 115 that "models wholly or partially beneath the template" are hit, and therefore the anything behind a building but under the template is hit too.
Since the rules for the Fire Thrower also specify on p.114 that "All models underneath the template are hit automatically," it too will hit any models outside the building, but under the template.
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Post by strutsagget on Jun 25, 2018 18:34:06 GMT
So now the tricky part magma cannon is shooting like a cannon but use the template instead of bounce.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jun 25, 2018 19:30:34 GMT
I suppose that is the magma cannon from Tamurkhan? That is one the the books I do not have. To answer your question with any degree of certainty, I would need to have the exact wording of the rule.
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Post by strutsagget on Jun 25, 2018 19:51:22 GMT
I suppose that is the magma cannon from Tamurkhan? That is one the the books I do not have. To answer your question with any degree of certainty, I would need to have the exact wording of the rule.  |
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Post by gjnoronh on Jun 25, 2018 19:56:05 GMT
The template extends past the building as long as there isn't a provision for the shot to stop as with the cannon.
The issue here I think is what's a legal target. You don't have permission with the magma cannon to shoot indirectly at a target you can't see. If you can see a target in/on top of the building then any incidental splash damage to hidden targets behind the building is fine.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jun 25, 2018 20:16:35 GMT
As gjnoronh suspected, this does not change what I said about Fire Thowers. You nominate a point of where the shot is intended to land, roll the artillery dice, and, provifded you did not roll a misfire, extend the line with the number of inches shown. This is where you place the teardrop-shaped template. All models underneath the template are hit automatically, including any that are behind the building.
Regarding the point gjnoronh raised, I should point out that, because of its rules, the target of a cannon is almost never the unit you want to hit, but the point you think is the optimum start for the bounce. That point is the one you have to have LOS to. The other restriction is that "you are not allowed to make a cannon shot in such a way that it has a chance of hitting a friendly unit or an enemy unit that is engaged in close combat." So, yes, with a cannon, you can legally hit a unit you cannot draw LoS to.
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