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Post by gangland on Jan 4, 2019 17:32:11 GMT
Hello all. So here is my High Elf list for 1300pt to face Dwarfs (and possibly Skaven or OnG in a triumph & treachery game). I made this list up using what I have built for my HE currently which is mostly 2 IoB.
Lord:
Archmage lvl 4
Talisman of Endurance
Hero:
Mage lvl 2
Core:
(20) Sea Gaurd
Full command
Shields
Ellyrian Reavers
Full command
Bow & spear
Special
(20) Swordmasters
Full command
Razor Standard
Rare
Bolt Thrower
Bolt Thrower
So that gives me my 1300. At first this was made to just face the Dwarfs but playing triumph and treachery changes thing. I was going to do Archmage as lore of Metal and my lvl 2 as high magic but I’m thinking of either switching that or going with lore of life or lore of shadow. Also not sure if I should free up points for either another unit of reavers or banner of the world dragon (Skaven can bring a grey seer and 2 engineers.) anyway let me know what you think. I also have a prince and noble available.
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Post by sedge on Jan 4, 2019 17:58:49 GMT
I'd suggest dropping one of the mages in a game this small - a Noble battle standard bearer would be a better option, or you could add in more Reavers or the nasty banner (if you want your friends to hate you!).
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Post by gangland on Jan 4, 2019 19:26:24 GMT
I'd suggest dropping one of the mages in a game this small - a Noble battle standard bearer would be a better option, or you could add in more Reavers or the nasty banner (if you want your friends to hate you!). Dwarf player doesn’t use magic so he doesn’t mind the banner. And we all love to hate each other in our group haha |
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Post by livewaaaaagh on Jan 4, 2019 20:10:42 GMT
a lvl 4 and a lvl 2 for a 1300pt game might be overkill. I'd focus on more bodies, potentially, or add mobility. Not knowing what you have, a Loremaster instead is a great choice here. If not, drop lvl 4 and get a 3rd combat unit.
Reavers don't need Full command, either.
Frosheart, Silver Helms, Eagles, Dragon Princes, White Lions are all good options here.
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Post by strutsagget on Jan 5, 2019 11:51:19 GMT
The Banner we don't call by its name is really good if he packs runes on his war machines/organ gun vs skaven vs.... Yeah everything.
I also think you pack to much magic for a this game a level 3 high magic under the banner with the swords masters should be awesome.
Then pack more reavers with musician. And maybe a bsb.
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Post by mrburp on Jan 5, 2019 12:25:54 GMT
I’d go for a lvl 4 with High Magic, take Talisman of Preservation tho.
Noble BsB on Griffon works wonders in low point games, although the armies you are likely to face do have enough cannon shots if they want. I’m a huge Starlance fan, so if you can spare the points. Drop the lvl 2, Thats magic overkill on these points.
Only take full command in your caster bunker, I’d go for Seaguard here. Swordmasters musician and standard and reavers bows and Spears, and musician (drop the spears if you dont go for a Noble on griffon tho).
I would like to point out that if you can proxy, 2 units of reavers and 15 archers are way better for core, Seaguard only start to shine in hordes and preferably with the Seaguard BsB for the reform on charge thing
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Post by strutsagget on Jan 5, 2019 14:45:51 GMT
I’d go for a lvl 4 with High Magic, take Talisman of Preservation tho. Noble BsB on Griffon works wonders in low point games, although the armies you are likely to face do have enough cannon shots if they want. I’m a huge Starlance fan, so if you can spare the points. Drop the lvl 2, Thats magic overkill on these points. Only take full command in your caster bunker, I’d go for Seaguard here. Swordmasters musician and standard and reavers bows and Spears, and musician (drop the spears if you dont go for a Noble on griffon tho). I would like to point out that if you can proxy, 2 units of reavers and 15 archers are way better for core, Seaguard only start to shine in hordes and preferably with the Seaguard BsB for the reform on charge thing In 8ed I think the sea guard are cheaper and the banner removed so think they are a viable unit. Think you mix up 6/7ed right? Regarding the ToP, it's great but doesn't think it is necessary. 23 swordmasters and level 3 spam cheap spells ( in T&T I rather have cheap defensive spells than any big offensive as you might have no viable target the full game) and the BotWD. So you have the unit to take shots and templates and banner against magic miscast and of the lore attributes you get enough save anyway and any nasty magic weapons. It's only 1300p. It should be the best unit on the board no matter what you face  |
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Post by mrburp on Jan 5, 2019 16:22:28 GMT
I’d go for a lvl 4 with High Magic, take Talisman of Preservation tho. Noble BsB on Griffon works wonders in low point games, although the armies you are likely to face do have enough cannon shots if they want. I’m a huge Starlance fan, so if you can spare the points. Drop the lvl 2, Thats magic overkill on these points. Only take full command in your caster bunker, I’d go for Seaguard here. Swordmasters musician and standard and reavers bows and Spears, and musician (drop the spears if you dont go for a Noble on griffon tho). I would like to point out that if you can proxy, 2 units of reavers and 15 archers are way better for core, Seaguard only start to shine in hordes and preferably with the Seaguard BsB for the reform on charge thing In 8ed I think the sea guard are cheaper and the banner removed so think they are a viable unit. Think you mix up 6/7ed right? Regarding the ToP, it's great but doesn't think it is necessary. 23 swordmasters and level 3 spam cheap spells ( in T&T I rather have cheap defensive spells than any big offensive as you might have no viable target the full game) and the BotWD. So you have the unit to take shots and templates and banner against magic miscast and of the lore attributes you get enough save anyway and any nasty magic weapons. It's only 1300p. It should be the best unit on the board no matter what you face No I’m talking 8th. Don’t get me wrong, I value Seaguard, but the most common mistake people tend to make with them is thinking they are a combat unit. They are not, unless provided with steadfast numbers. And 20 something isnt that, Thats a shooty unit. And in that case, archers beat Seaguard all the time. Not saying in a 1300 point game they are useless, all I’m saying is dont expect them to kill anything notable |
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Post by gangland on Jan 5, 2019 18:09:17 GMT
Well the Dwarf player bailed so we ended up just playing battleline and I was actually Skaven. I lost but I turned the seagaurd (with his lord) and swordmasters into deciples of the Great Horned Rat so I had my trollface on. My opponent pretty much used the list above (minus a magic banner and talismen for more reavers) and I basically used 2 island of bloods + a grey seer.
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Post by sedge on Jan 5, 2019 22:57:56 GMT
Damned Skaven  I'm with Mrburp on Sea Guard, in that they're more expensive archers with worse range. To get them to work as a decent ranged + combat unit, you need the Sea Helm in there, and to have a decent sized unit of 30+. |
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Post by gangland on Jan 5, 2019 23:56:09 GMT
I have 2 boxes of the spear elf/sea gaurd set that need building and which will get built after I finish my box of clan rats I’ve been sitting on (got 5 out of 20 done ) Also how can you say “damn Skaven” when I lost man. My friend whiped out my entire army (probably could of won if my rat ogres made their charge on his reavers from the rear) and the only units I had left was his use to be general and like 4 other sea guards that saw the light and love that comes with accepting the Great Horned Rat as your own personal savior. |
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Post by strutsagget on Jan 6, 2019 7:43:59 GMT
When you go higher points you can use the Griffin lord/hero. It's not great but think it is better then its credit. The second one you should try too convert to an eagle(on my future conversion list).
Regarding sea guard. They are not great but I think it's value goes up a lot when you said possible TnT as I think their flexibility Is worth more in that environment.
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Post by gangland on Jan 7, 2019 4:25:18 GMT
Yeah but I have better prince options. I have one on foot and one on horse back. I don’t see the one on griffin being used much plus it’s a pain in the ass to transport at the moment.
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Post by mrburp on Jan 7, 2019 8:13:43 GMT
Yeah but I have better prince options. I have one on foot and one on horse back. I don’t see the one on griffin being used much plus it’s a pain in the ass to transport at the moment. It has it uses, mostly in MSU and lower point games |
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Post by strutsagget on Jan 7, 2019 10:06:18 GMT
Yeah but I have better prince options. I have one on foot and one on horse back. I don’t see the one on griffin being used much plus it’s a pain in the ass to transport at the moment. It has it uses, mostly in MSU and lower point games Please post tactics tread over at HE 🙏 🙏🙏😁 I would love to know how people fielded it as it's such a great model. |
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