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Post by strutsagget on Feb 13, 2019 21:14:28 GMT
So been tailoring with this list. Will have my first game with it tomorrow. Small Witches 1400Dark ElvesSorceress: Lore of Shadow; Dark Steed; Dispel Scroll 115Master: Battle Standard; lance; Sea Dragon cloak; shield; Cold One; Dragonbane Gem 12614 Witch Elves: musician; standard bearer (Gleaming Pennant) 17914 Witch Elves: musician; standard bearer 1745 Cold One Knights: musician; standard bearer 17018 Har Ganeth Executioners: Draich Master; musician; standard bearer 246Reaper Bolt Thrower 70Reaper Bolt Thrower 705 Doomfire Warlocks 1255 Doomfire Warlocks 1251 400 pointsEDIT: As a side note: I have gotten inspired from www.druchii.net/ and found some battle reports linked to youtube from a person crushing it with MSU. Especially the 2x witches, Executions and cold ones knights When I find the youtube link again I will post it. |
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Post by knoffles on Feb 14, 2019 8:02:02 GMT
+1 for not giving the dark master a Pegasus and the cloak that gives KB + D3 attacks (?) on the turn he charges 😀.
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Post by strutsagget on Feb 14, 2019 8:12:23 GMT
+1 for not giving the dark master a Pegasus and the cloak that gives KB + D3 attacks (?) on the turn he charges 😀. I think I have enough power units anyway. But with MSU you really need the best to succeed. It's hard enough to play anyway... Would love fitting a pegasus master with a cloak of twilight😂 been tailoring with that too and skipping a sorceress. The cold ones need the bsb re-rolls as their stupidity hurts a lot. |
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Post by knoffles on Feb 14, 2019 9:45:05 GMT
I was wondering if you could skip the sorceress due to the two units of warlocks. Their two spells have such great utility. With the -1 S & T spell (names are just escaping me at present) from the warlocks being the ‘withering’ substitute, what other spells are you hoping for from the lore of shadow? I might consider taking a different lore, perhaps even life in this list or you could go left field and take something more unusual. I think that is the strength of the warlocks, especially at lower points levels, they give 2 such great guaranteed spells.
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Post by strutsagget on Feb 14, 2019 13:04:39 GMT
Well I need a general and i like having that dispell scroll  But it is a very expensive dispel scroll... I think the signature spell miasma is pretty good. I also thought even the signature of dark magic strength boost would be good in a warlock unit. The problem is no ward and that you loose wounds on 30% of the time and only have 2 wounds. |
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Post by vulcan on Feb 14, 2019 19:28:02 GMT
What does he of a Shadow sorceress?
Mindrazor comes to mind. It's bloody devastating in conjunction with Witches.
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Post by sedge on Feb 14, 2019 20:12:13 GMT
You could put the Gleaming Pennant on the Cold Ones. Sure, it's a risk, but Ld 9 is decent enough that you're only likely to fail a single Stupidity test. A pegasus master would be really useful, and worth dropping the Sorceress for, as 2 x Soulblight/Doombolt is enough spells for your needs so it's really just the Dispel scroll you're taking her for.
The standard Pegasus master with Cloak is 188 points, so that saves you 53 to spend elsewhere (extra bodies in your infantry units, or a trick standard like Banner of Swiftness?).
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Post by strutsagget on Feb 14, 2019 22:26:48 GMT
What does he of a Shadow sorceress? Mindrazor comes to mind. It's bloody devastating in conjunction with Witches. I thought an all-purpose miasma signature spell was pretty useful as one of the best hexes. |
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Post by strutsagget on Feb 15, 2019 10:06:42 GMT
You could put the Gleaming Pennant on the Cold Ones. Sure, it's a risk, but Ld 9 is decent enough that you're only likely to fail a single Stupidity test. A pegasus master would be really useful, and worth dropping the Sorceress for, as 2 x Soulblight/Doombolt is enough spells for your needs so it's really just the Dispel scroll you're taking her for. The standard Pegasus master with Cloak is 188 points, so that saves you 53 to spend elsewhere (extra bodies in your infantry units, or a trick standard like Banner of Swiftness?). So I had my first game last night with this list against Ogres. The list did well but I totally agree sorceress wasn't needed and I rather have a pegasus master. BSB also might be swappable as with MSU you are spread out. |
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Post by jukei on Feb 15, 2019 10:30:45 GMT
I cannot consider myself an expert of DE but I was pretty interested in this thread .
@ strutsagget your last comment reminds me an old lesson....doing list is funny but only the battlefield will tell if our ideas were good or not.
Often, but it's maybe only my fault, I imagine great strategies when I plan my army list...but 8 times out of 10 my expectations are not met.
if you have time I would be glad to read a fast BR of the game.
:-)
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Post by strutsagget on Feb 15, 2019 10:54:25 GMT
I will try my best to do reports I have the pictures, but already have 1 report missing texts |
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Post by jukei on Feb 15, 2019 11:14:50 GMT
thanks :-) ! but take all the time you need. no rush
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Post by strutsagget on Feb 15, 2019 14:20:45 GMT
Potential new list:
No Wiz MSU Witches 1400p
Dark Elves
Master: heavy armour; lance; Sea Dragon cloak; shield; Dark Pegasus; Cloak of Twilight 188
14 Witch Elves: musician; standard bearer (Banner of Eternal Flame) 184
14 Witch Elves: musician; standard bearer 174
18 Har Ganeth Executioners: Draich Master; musician; standard bearer 246
6 Cold One Knights: Dread Knight; musician; standard bearer (Gleaming Pennant) 215
Reaper Bolt Thrower 70
Reaper Bolt Thrower 70
5 Doomfire Warlocks 125
5 Doomfire Warlocks 125
1Â 397 points
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Post by grandmasterwang on Feb 15, 2019 15:10:52 GMT
You could put the Gleaming Pennant on the Cold Ones. Sure, it's a risk, but Ld 9 is decent enough that you're only likely to fail a single Stupidity test. A pegasus master would be really useful, and worth dropping the Sorceress for, as 2 x Soulblight/Doombolt is enough spells for your needs so it's really just the Dispel scroll you're taking her for. The standard Pegasus master with Cloak is 188 points, so that saves you 53 to spend elsewhere (extra bodies in your infantry units, or a trick standard like Banner of Swiftness?). So I had my first game last night with this list against Ogres. The list did well but I totally agree sorceress wasn't needed and I rather have a pegasus master. BSB also might be swappable as with MSU you are spread out. What did you use the dispel scroll on? |
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Post by grandmasterwang on Feb 15, 2019 15:14:30 GMT
Potential new list: No Wiz MSU Witches 1400pDark ElvesMaster: heavy armour; lance; Sea Dragon cloak; shield; Dark Pegasus; Cloak of Twilight 18814 Witch Elves: musician; standard bearer (Banner of Eternal Flame) 18414 Witch Elves: musician; standard bearer 17418 Har Ganeth Executioners: Draich Master; musician; standard bearer 2466 Cold One Knights: Dread Knight; musician; standard bearer (Gleaming Pennant) 215Reaper Bolt Thrower 70Reaper Bolt Thrower 705 Doomfire Warlocks 1255 Doomfire Warlocks 1251Â 397 pointsI see banner of eternal flame now on a witch elf unit........ which makes me ponder that the ogres maybe managed to get off a successful troll guts spell ? I prefer this list...as it's Khaine themed....this list is 'purer'. Less magic...more murder. I like it. |
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