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Post by vulcan on Jul 31, 2019 17:27:18 GMT
I don't know about the rest of you, but I never reached the point where I stopped buying for an army completely. I mean, I've got enough Dark Elves to theoretically field SIX 2500 point armies simultaneously. And I only had 5 armies as of the death of Fantasy (Skaven, Bretonnia, Dark Elves, Dwarves, and Lizardmen), had Fantasy continued I probably would have picked up more armies.
Not much point to it now...
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jul 31, 2019 17:33:19 GMT
Games Workshop killed Fantasy with incompetent management. The barriers for entry started high and GW raised them beyond breaking point due to greed while 8th Edition was still going strong. During my time Army books increased by a whopping 73% in price over the course of 8th Edition. This happened in 3 increasingly exorbitant price gouges as I recall. $48 to $55 to $69 to $83. 40k didn't have the same drastic increases. Army books were necessary and this example is a microcosm of how GW destroyed the Warhammer Fantasy brand and customer goodwill with their policies. With AOS games workshop were smart enough to keep the initial army book cost down at $55, much cheaper than Fantasy.... albeit for an inferior product GW of today is very different from the time of 8th edition. Just look at their embrace of online promotion for one.
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Post by DiscoQing on Aug 1, 2019 12:50:21 GMT
If only we could get them to make a WFB rulebook, with army books - that update each year.... People would buy in to it. Don't even need to change the aos models...
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Post by mottdon on Aug 1, 2019 12:55:18 GMT
Problem is, IP rights. They'd have to keep their new naming structure, which many old-timers (who these books would be for) would scoff at. Plus, it could hinder them pushing AoS, which they are only concerned with atm.
In GWs eyes, they're meeting the Fantasy quota with AoS. They don't need to do anything else.
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Post by crownprinceimrik on Aug 1, 2019 13:26:38 GMT
The irony of it is that AoS has weakened their IP in some areas. Alternative Skaven and Lizardmen models were few and far between before AoS. Now there's multiple new ranges being built for them.
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Post by mottdon on Aug 1, 2019 15:32:31 GMT
The irony of it is that AoS has weakened their IP in some areas. Alternative Skaven and Lizardmen models were few and far between before AoS. Now there's multiple new ranges being built for them. Really? How so? Seems to me that anyone referencing Seraphim (or whatever they're called) could easily be sued by GW. And linking Lizardmen directly would have to be by imagry alone.
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Post by gregr on Aug 1, 2019 16:59:13 GMT
The irony of it is that AoS has weakened their IP in some areas. Alternative Skaven and Lizardmen models were few and far between before AoS. Now there's multiple new ranges being built for them. Really? How so? Seems to me that anyone referencing Seraphim (or whatever they're called) could easily be sued by GW. And linking Lizardmen directly would have to be by imagry alone. Mottdon- I think what Imrik was saying is that since the end of WFB there's a growing number of 3rd party companies essentially putting out GW variant figures under their own brand. Whereas before GW had the near total stranglehold on the market and were able to dictate the terms more. Or have I got this completely wrong haha
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Post by crownprinceimrik on Aug 1, 2019 18:23:38 GMT
Definitely. What I meant is that outside of the individual Saurian Ancient model from Avatars of War and maybe a single kit from Mantic for Salamanders (though I'm not sure when those were released) no one was making Lizardmen models that I know of prior to AoS. Now with The 9th Age, a direct result of AoS, you've got Lost Kingdom Miniatures with a full Lizardmen range, and I think there's another big Lizardmen range that recently came out though the name eludes me. No one can reference Seraphon, yeah, but outside of the name, they are still just Lizardmen. But for a very long time GW produced the only significant range of Lizardmen models. AoS drops, Mantic and T9A both pick up Lizardmen, and suddenly there's an explosion of alternative Lizardmen models.
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Post by gregr on Aug 1, 2019 18:55:59 GMT
I think as well that there is an uptick in massed battle wargaming in general which GW are missing out on, particularly with the release of the new KoW coming out.
I know there is a lot of historical massed battle games out there but GWs ones, especially the English Civil War rules, were really quite clever and well done.
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Post by mottdon on Aug 1, 2019 19:28:17 GMT
Yeah, I agree, there have been a ton of Kickstarters and just individual people trying their hand at modeling and making their own products. It has been really nice seeing models that GW apparently abandoned (like Teutogen Guard), having alternatives produced, as well. Options are always good!
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Post by vulcan on Aug 1, 2019 21:10:48 GMT
The irony of it is that AoS has weakened their IP in some areas. Alternative Skaven and Lizardmen models were few and far between before AoS. Now there's multiple new ranges being built for them. Really? How so? Seems to me that anyone referencing Seraphim (or whatever they're called) could easily be sued by GW. And linking Lizardmen directly would have to be by imagry alone. And that's exactly what they are doing. Technomagic ratmen and Aztec lizardmen. They change the names but the basic concept remains clearly visible.
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