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Post by copperpotmd on Jan 24, 2020 2:58:23 GMT
I got a question for you...something I've been thinking a lot about this week.
Why dont more people take spears? I mean, they are the Empires cheapest state troop, and fight in am extra rank.
In my mind, that could be nasty with a WP giving hatred and reroll failed wounds with the battle prayer.
I think I might try it out...but am I trippin?
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Post by Naitsabes on Jan 24, 2020 5:24:23 GMT
against most things halberdiers are your best choice. But, not by much. In many cases it really doesn't matter which state troops hold the line (and die in droves) while your knights get into position. Some spell effects change that sad truth, e.g. that extra rank makes a big difference if you can get mindrazor of.
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Post by Horace on Jan 24, 2020 7:16:48 GMT
I think swordsmen are also my preferred option for the extra pip of WS and parry but you can probably make spearmen work
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Post by copperpotmd on Jan 24, 2020 11:43:50 GMT
I currently run Swords, and love the extra WS. I think ill try it and return with results, but you're probably right...most likely won't me MUCH of a difference
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jan 24, 2020 12:18:28 GMT
It depends on your opponent: against enemies with ≤T3 (without AS) and ≥T6, Spearman will be slightly better than Halberdiers; against all else, they will inferior.
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Post by gregr on Jan 25, 2020 11:11:11 GMT
I think they can be nasty with the extra rank and a WP with hatred. The re roll to wound is always nice but with Battle Prayers being a loe cast bound spell, unless you've managed to draw all the opponents dispel dice out earlier in the phase, then they're easy to stop.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jan 25, 2020 12:50:52 GMT
Ultimately, any cost/benefit analysis proves all of our State Troops to be rather subpar, and needing to be buffed up one way or the other.
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Post by copperpotmd on Jan 25, 2020 14:06:06 GMT
That is a good point, all of the staties are blank canvases, waiting to be painted with augments lol.
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Post by Yvain on Feb 6, 2020 23:47:00 GMT
I see state troopers serving two builds. Either you want them to hold the line and block people or get swole and grind people.
If you going to do a grind option, you take halberds + razor standards + light magic + warrior priest + hurricanum. This option is easy to make a large horde that survives off its wounds and once it gets in CC can do some serioues damage with -2 save, 2+ reroll to hit, and any buff you can add in.
The only option is to just hold the line with cheapo steadfast units. That means taking swordsmen to rely on better armor, weapon skill, and parry to last just a little longer.
Spears fall in the middle of both camps. They do neither job as well as the specialist. You don't particularly save a lot either. A unit of 40 spears is 200 vs 280 for the more expensive swords. Those savings are not significant enough to warrant loss in effectiveness in either task.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Feb 7, 2020 9:19:01 GMT
I guess you could take Spearmen as Detachments: as long as you keep the Regimental Unit steadfast/out of combat, the Spearmen would be steadfast - even if there is just a single spearman left.
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Post by Yvain on Feb 7, 2020 12:26:49 GMT
I guess you could take Spearmen as Detachments: as long as you keep the Regimental Unit steadfast/out of combat, the Spearmen would be steadfast - even if there is just a single spearman left.
Thats actually where I like them best. If you can get them into a flank they do a lot more damage and take less in return.
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