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Post by jukei on Mar 9, 2020 17:51:11 GMT
I am going to test this funny list
I hope you like it
Any suggestions?
I hope I can win ...sometimes :-)
Standard (Orcs & Goblins - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.2.) [2,398pts]
Da Venom iz powerz
Lords [593pts]
Goblin Great Shaman [520pts]
Selections: Lore of da Little Waaagh!, Wizard Level 3
Arachnarok Spider [330pts]
Catchweb Spidershrine [40pts]
Selections: BRB - Talisman of Preservation [45pts]
He will be the main target for enemy's artillery
but still 8 wounds ( Arachnarock) and wizard has WS 4+,,,
The wizard knows all the lore...
the shrine will help my 3 wizards to channel additional dices.
He is not a 4lv level because I need points for my General
Goblin Warboss [73pts]
Selections: Light Armour [3pts]
Selections: BRB - Enchanted Shield [5pts]
He is my General ( not enough points to protect him better ) but I cannot risk to make the Shaman General ....because ...you know..
Heroes [434pts]
Goblin Big Boss [149pts]
Selections: Light Armour [2pts], Magic Items, Shield [2pts]
Battle Standard Bearer [110pts]
Selections: AB - Spider Banner (Goblin BSB only) [85pts]
BSB spider banner ( initially will be in the savage orcs .
Later on I can move him in the goblin troop)
Savage Orc Shaman [130pts]
Selections: Lore of da Big Waaagh!, Wizard Level 2 [35pts]
Selections: BRB - Dispel Scroll [25pts]
Savage Orc Shaman [155pts]
Selections: Lore of da Big Waaagh!, Wizard Level 2 [35pts]
Lucky Shrunken Head (Savage Orc Shaman or Great Shaman only) [50pts]
They will know 4 spells ( hopefully foot and hand ) ,they will bring a precious scroll and give a WS 5+ to my savage orcs
All in all 3 wizards will have the bonus given by the spidershrine and hopefully I will have some additional dices.
Core [791pts]
Goblin Wolf Riders [50pts]
Chaff
Night Goblins [288pts]
Selections: Boss [10pts], Musician [10pts], Netters [45pts], 3x Night Goblin Fanatics [75pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]
46x Night Goblin [138pts]
Selections: 46x Hand Weapons and Shields
Bunker for my General
Savage Orc Big 'Uns [453pts]
Selections: Boss [15pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]
38x Savage Orc Big 'Un [418pts]
Selections: 38x Bows [38pts]
Horde formation with bsb for poison arrows
Note : Ok I know they are less effective with the bow...but
- I want them more flexible.
-They can be useful since the first turn with their poisoned arrows ( bsb is with them) and the range is 24".... and if I get the right spell they can be even more effective.( poison 5+)
- orcs are already deployed in horde formation so more arrows...more hits ...
- goblins with bows have less range , they will not have the shield and even if it is not that much I will lose 6+ AS and 6+ perry save...
Special [210pts]
Trolls [210pts]
Selections: 6x Troll [210pts]
Rare [370pts]
Giant [200pts]
for "target saturation" ......:-)
Goblin Rock Lobber [85pts]
Goblin Rock Lobber [85pts]
My favourite artillery..
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Post by Beardanae on Mar 10, 2020 21:26:17 GMT
I’m always a big fan of the ol 100+ night gobbo block with shortbows and spider banner with black orcs and the big nasty spider on their flanks- 60+ poisoned shots (on5s with the spell) has even obliterated my 15 phoenix guard and a frostheart phoenix in the same game.
That being said, I’m definitely interested in the performance of reversing the kits on the orcs and the gobbos.
Not a huge fan of the lobbas myself, they just seem to underperform (a real problem in general for OnG war machines), but probably worth bringing to the table to soften hordes.
I do think that if you run the bigMcLargeHuge spider, that you definitely need more chaff- this may be really odd, but I would deploy with a mangler squig right in front of it on board just to be another large target and partially block LoS.
Orcs n gobbos are really difficult to build a list that is... all the things an OnG player might want. Especially with the spider that just loves to get chewed up by war machines, dragons, even some elite infantry.
Maybe I’m just rambling out of my haughty (yet reliable) High Elf arse though
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Post by jukei on Mar 11, 2020 16:13:51 GMT
I’m always a big fan of the ol 100+ night gobbo block with shortbows and spider banner with black orcs and the big nasty spider on their flanks- 60+ poisoned shots (on5s with the spell) has even obliterated my 15 phoenix guard and a frostheart phoenix in the same game. That being said, I’m definitely interested in the performance of reversing the kits on the orcs and the gobbos. Not a huge fan of the lobbas myself, they just seem to underperform (a real problem in general for OnG war machines), but probably worth bringing to the table to soften hordes. I do think that if you run the bigMcLargeHuge spider, that you definitely need more chaff- this may be really odd, but I would deploy with a mangler squig right in front of it on board just to be another large target and partially block LoS. Orcs n gobbos are really difficult to build a list that is... all the things an OnG player might want. Especially with the spider that just loves to get chewed up by war machines, dragons, even some elite infantry. Maybe I’m just rambling out of my haughty (yet reliable) High Elf arse though Thanks for the comment and for taking time for writing it. I am glad you find the list interesting. 1) lobbas are randomic and that's why it's better to play 2 of them and cross fingers :-) In my experience I can say they are useful... 2) I completely agree with you regarding the difficulties an OnG player has in building the right list... 3) huge horde of goblins archers sounds good but still I have doubts on their real effectiveness because of the limited range of their bows. 4) I was thinking also I need additional chaff and yes a mangler can be handy...but I could not find points for them. ...how would you change my list accordigly then? |
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Post by jukei on Mar 11, 2020 16:29:26 GMT
Anyway ....I played yesterday this list vs ...3000 Points Ogre kingdom.
On top of 6th turn He had only 1 sabretusk left and I had still in play my araknarock ( even if with several wounds - the wizard with one wound left ) and the goblin unit with General.
I was really lucky..I admit it.
everything went well....
His list
Slaughtermaster ( 4 lev ws4+....crown of command) +BSB + Butcher ( with heart) in a huge ironguts unit( 14..15..)
6 ogres
2 sabretusk
4 mournfang cavalry with special Standard
6 meneaters equipped with 2 guns- sniper and poisoned attack
1 thundertusk
2 ironblaster
it was a lot of fun....I could start first and I was lucky with lobbas...( they overkilled the thundertusk ) ...and foot of Gork ( IF... ) stomped mournfangs twice killing 3 of them ...
top of turn 2 I could see nullified his advantage....
:-)
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Post by 1plussave on Mar 11, 2020 18:53:01 GMT
Consider dropping the warbosses light armour and another 20 points to try to fit the Fencers Blades on the Great Shaman, WeaponSkill 10 is a handy defence for such a small goblin on such a big target.
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Post by jukei on Mar 12, 2020 19:11:11 GMT
Consider dropping the warbosses light armour and another 20 points to try to fit the Fencers Blades on the Great Shaman, WeaponSkill 10 is a handy defence for such a small goblin on such a big target. Good point. Thanks.... I think can be really useful to protect him more... |
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Post by Beardanae on Mar 12, 2020 19:56:49 GMT
I haven’t played against ogres in a long time, but have seen them in several MWG battle reports.
If you can beat the snot out of em while they had a 25% points advantage, then I’d say you have your proof of concept right there!
The lucky lobbas and not getting dispelled on some heavy hitting spells may be a fluke, but believing that it’ll work is 90% of being a greenskin to begin with.
Maybe this issues I saw in the list were actually stemmed from a very aggressive player trying to run a defensive list against my high elves, so I’ll run over it one more time and see if I can find the points for the squig- but it obviously performed solidly
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Post by Beardanae on Mar 12, 2020 20:05:22 GMT
So definitely don’t listen to me about the squig- I just realized that they in fact are not a large target
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Post by jukei on Mar 13, 2020 14:16:54 GMT
So definitely don’t listen to me ! about the squig- I just realized that they in fact are not a large target Da Squig is always a good idea :-) Anyway I was thinking that -in case I play with 50% Lord allowance maybe I could swap 2 savage shamans for 1 savage shaman lev 4.with crown of command...lucky shrunken head. I could drop the goblin general for him. It can be useful also equipping goblin shaman on Arak with ironcurse icon in order to give a 6++ vs WM to our big Spider.... - In case , instead I stay with 25% points for my Lords ...I can anyway equip shaman on spider with Ironcurse icon and dropping a couple of night goblins... |
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Post by Beardanae on Mar 15, 2020 22:45:34 GMT
Ironcurse is always a welcome addition to the spider build.
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