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Post by vazalaar on May 1, 2016 20:19:13 GMT
As I am slowly building a WoC/Legions of Chaos army for 8th edition and want to use some of those AoS Khorne models/units. I came up with this profile for a Slaughterpriest: Hero choice (Woc/Legions of Chaos) 160 Pts Equipment: Special rules:
- Eye of the Gods
- Mark of Khorne
- Scorn of Sorcery
- Bloodfuelled prayers
Options:
- May take Chaos Mutations and Powers worth up to 50 points
May replace the two hand weapons for a great weapon for 5 points
Scorn of Sorcery:
Ward save (5+), Magic Resistance (1) For each wound caused in the Close combat phase the Slaughterpriest receives a token. In the magic phase the Slaughterpriest can expend a token to gain +1 to dispel or +1 to cast. Each spend token adds a +1 to a maximum of +4. Bloodfuelled prayers (Bound spell 4+):
Blood Boil: Hex, target unit within 16” suffer D6 Strength 5 hits. Blood Bind: Hex, target unit within 16” immediatly moves 2D6” to their nearest enemy unit. He is based on an exalted hero with -1 WS, but toughness 5 and an extra wound, because the Slaughterpriest models are huge. I also increased the mutations to 50 instead of 25 points. He also can't buy magic items. AoS will release a lot of new miniatures, because I like new miniatures. I really like to add them to my 8th edition armies, but I would prefer to make new units and don't use the miniatures as count as. The group I play in isn't really concerned with balance. It's not our holy grail. What do people think of this new character entry?
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Post by grandmasterwang on May 2, 2016 5:44:07 GMT
I think the Slaughterpriest is the most interesting AOS Khorne unit to bring into 8th.
A couple of questions.
Why cant he buy magic items? Unsure of his token system. As magic is before combat are these to be used in the next magic phase? Can these be stored? Ie. Sp does 3 wounds in my CC phase. Can i save these until my next magic phase or must i use to help dispell in enemy phase? Bound spells (like a warrior priest) are imo the way to go. I dont know about the second spell though. Does this enable magic phase charges? Can you use it on friendly units? Any movement spell like this can create a lot of issues. He is in Chaos armor right?
Overall though i like it... especially for mono khorne lists
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Post by vazalaar on May 2, 2016 18:16:01 GMT
Well, I thought it would be to much, but he maybe he should have the standard hero allowance.
I forgot to add that his tokens stack, so in yours en the opposing players combat phase he can earn tokens by causing wounds.. I though it would be fitting that he would only grow in power (magic) when he starts spilling blood. Thus until he reaches combat he doesn't get any bonus for his bound/dispel attempts. But when he start doing wounds he can quickly reach +4 to cast/dispel. In a way he uses bound spells as a warrior priest, but with the exception he can't channel, but can add a max bonus of +4 to his cast roll for a bound spell.
Both spells are Hex spells, Hexes can only be used on enemy units. But maybe it is better to change it to augment and causes target unit to directly move 2D6" to the nearest enemy unit. When the enemy unit is reached it counts as charging.
He has no Chaos armour, both Slaughterpriest models are fairly naked. But he has in comparison with other Chaos hero choices toughness 5 and an extra wound (because he is big) and has thanks to Scorn of Sorcery a 5+ Ward save.
I made him, because I am working/painting on a Khorne only army for 8th. Hopefully Kevin can finetune him and add some nice background.
There are couple of other new AoS characters that also should receive 8th edition rules.
I am also really looking forward for all the rumoured AoS Tzeentch and how we could use it in 8th.
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on May 3, 2016 20:39:33 GMT
I think the tokens might be cumbersome. When I think about EEFL additions to the game I ask myself if this would be easy to explain to someone familiar with 8th. I love the idea of the bound prayers like the Empire WP. I also like the model with 3 wounds to represent his hugeness.
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Post by vazalaar on May 4, 2016 4:32:34 GMT
I think the tokens might be cumbersome. When I think about EEFL additions to the game I ask myself if this would be easy to explain to someone familiar with 8th. I love the idea of the bound prayers like the Empire WP. I also like the model with 3 wounds to represent his hugeness. Maybe, but i.e the High and Dark Magic (lore attribute) used by the Wood Elves also work with tokens.
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Post by grandmasterwang on May 5, 2016 3:23:35 GMT
I see your point regarding Chaos Armor. That said the guy is partly armored. Heavy armor?
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Post by vazalaar on May 14, 2016 17:04:21 GMT
I see your point regarding Chaos Armor. That said the guy is partly armored. Heavy armor? Yes, But maybe I am seeing Chaos armour wrong. I.e the Wrathmongers/Skullreapers also have Chaos Armour, but their torso's aren't covered. I would love to see Kevin his take on some more Bloodbound units!
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on May 14, 2016 19:45:19 GMT
Chaos armor based on the above wrathmonger point.
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Post by vazalaar on May 14, 2016 21:12:41 GMT
Ok, Chaos armour as standard it is!
I am also thinking to change the Scorn of Sorcery special rule:
From this: Ward save (5+), Magic Resistance (1) For each wound caused in the Close combat phase the Slaughterpriest receives a token. In the magic phase the Slaughterpriest can expend a token to gain +1 to dispel or +1 to cast. Each spend token adds a +1 to a maximum of +4.
To: Ward save (6+), Magic Resistance (2), Add 1 Dispel Dice to Dispel pool for each Slaughterpriest on the battlefield.
What do you think?
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Post by grandmasterwang on May 18, 2016 22:12:17 GMT
That makes it much simpler and simplicity is good. Just maybe cap the benefit at 2 or 3 bonus dispell dice or something. It needs a cap for say large mixed god armies to stop it being OP. Maybe add an additional dispell benefit for Mono-Khorne or something.
I like the dispell dice bonus for a mono Khorne army.
Do you have the slaughterpriest model Vazalaar?
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Post by vazalaar on May 19, 2016 15:07:10 GMT
I don't have any of the slaughterpriests yet, I was planning to get the one with the two hand weapons, but with the soon to be released Warhammer Quest expansion box, it will be the one with the greatweapon instead.
Aha, a cap is indeed needed and with A mono Khorne armylist I could add this (a modified idea that comes the from 9th Age): The Slaughterpriest can make Dispel Attempts as if it was a level 2 Wizard.
It occures to me that the Slaughterpriests will not fit on a 25mm base, they barely fit on a 40mm base. So their base size will be 40mm instead.
I was planning to give them a Hulking Brute special rule: hero, 40mm base, +1 toughness, +1 wound and than imo the statline posted in the first post is appropriate for a hero class character, as the drawback is the 40 mm base.
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Post by grandmasterwang on May 20, 2016 5:24:03 GMT
Are you sure it wont fit on a 25mm? Just with the front toes poking off. With a 40mm you'll only he able to run him solo (fair enough) or on the edge of a unit.
Dispelling like a Lvl 2 wizard in a Mono Khorne is a good idea.
I likewise plan on getting that 4 hero box as i see it as good value compared with the individual prices.
I think T5 with 3 wounds for such a bulky character (he is bigger than a Chaos Lord!) Is fair like you said. Im looking forwards to trying one in a game.... so much stuff to assemble/paint. So little time.
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Post by dannytee on May 21, 2016 13:49:22 GMT
To: Ward save (6+), Magic Resistance (2), Add 1 Dispel Dice to Dispel pool for each Slaughterpriest on the battlefield. What do you think? I don't know about the add 1 dispel dice. Even dwarf runesmiths don't do this anymore. They just are able to attempt to channel a die on a 6+. I like the idea where they can be used to attempt to dispel a spell as though they were a level 2 wizard better.
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Post by avatarofbugman on May 22, 2016 12:41:08 GMT
I also would negative the dispel dice idea. It is not fitting with 8th magic.
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Post by vazalaar on May 28, 2016 18:36:04 GMT
Ah good point about the dispel dice! I will remove it.
I bought the Warhammer Quest expansion box, so I finally have a Slaughterpriest. So I will soon test him on the battlefied and post a new ruleset for him.
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