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Critique this! Apr 2, 2021 20:54:58 GMT via mobile knoffles and jukei like this

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Post by gregwarhamsters on Apr 2, 2021 20:54:58 GMT

Hi All,

I had to paint an ethereal Slann up for a campaign and apart from that I’ve not used him. So I’m trying to get away from the Temple guard list - ideal use for him as he cannot be attached to a unit.

I wanted to retain the identity of a Lizardman army but didn’t have to points for my Sally’s 😁

Tell me what you think, my first thing would be I’m planning on using death as I usually take High but may go back to default.

++ Standard (Lizardmen - Army Book (2013-8) -V8.8.0.) [2,499pts] ++

+ Lords +

Slann Mage-Priest [570pts]: Lore of Death, Wizard Level 4
. Battle Standard Bearer: BRB - Standard of Discipline
. Disciplines of the Old Ones: Becalming Cogitation, Higher State of Consciousness, Reservoir of Eldritch Energy, Soul of Stone
. Magic Items: BRB - Crown of Command, BRB - Fencer's Blades, BRB - Obsidian Amulet

+ Heroes +

Saurus Scar-Veteran [112pts]: Light Armour, Magic Items, Shield, Spear
. Cold One

Saurus Scar-Veteran [110pts]
. Cold One
. Magic Items: BRB - Enchanted Shield, BRB - Ironcurse Icon

Skink Priest [95pts]: Lore of Heavens, Wizard Level 1
. Magic Items: AB - Cube of Darkness

Skink Priest [90pts]: Lore of Heavens, Wizard Level 1
. Magic Items: BRB - Dispel Scroll

Tetto'eko [185pts]: AB - The Eye of the Old Ones, AB - The Stellar Staff, Lore of Heavens, Wizard Level 2

+ Core +

Saurus Warriors [382pts]: Champion, Musician, 32x Saurus Warrior, Standard Bearer

Skink Skirmishers [70pts]
. 10x Skink Skirmisher: 10x Lustrian Javelins with Shield

Skink Skirmishers [70pts]
. 10x Skink Skirmisher: 10x Lustrian Javelins with Shield

Skink Skirmishers [70pts]
. 10x Skink Skirmisher: 10x Lustrian Javelins with Shield

Skink Skirmishers [70pts]
. 10x Skink Skirmisher: 10x Lustrian Javelins with Shield

+ Special +

Bastiladon [150pts]
. Crew with Solar Engine

Ripperdactyl Riders [120pts]: 3x Ripperdactyl Rider

Terradon Riders [105pts]
. 3x Terradon Rider: 3x Lustrian Javelins

+ Rare +

Ancient Stegadon [300pts]: Engine of the Gods
. Ancient Stegadon: Sharpened Horns

++ Total: [2,499pts] ++

Bret/Dwarf/Lizardmen/Tomb King/Wood elf/Vampire counts - Purest of 8th.

jukei God Posts: 618	Critique this! Apr 4, 2021 9:48:29 GMT dlwii likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by jukei on Apr 4, 2021 9:48:29 GMT I like your list. maybe you have too many wizards... Slann lev 4 ,Tetto and 2 Priests..uhmm I think if you drop something you will have points for your sally.
	Last Edit: Apr 4, 2021 9:53:04 GMT by jukei

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Critique this! Apr 5, 2021 11:41:01 GMT via mobile

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Post by dlwii on Apr 5, 2021 11:41:01 GMT

I agree with jukei. If you drop tetto and the cube skink you've got 280 more points to work with.

You need some more damage dealers because all you got is one block and one monster.

I know the slaan/temple guard block is always in every list. But its there for a reason. Because it works really good. Its extremely dangerous to have a 600 point wizard floating around with just a 4+ ward. I know he's ethereal but thats still not fool proof.

I'm not real familiar on the lizard book so I'm not sure where you spend the points. Maybe drop one of the cowboys as well. You've got enough chaff with all your skink units.

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Critique this! Apr 9, 2021 22:48:50 GMT via mobile dlwii likes this

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Post by gregwarhamsters on Apr 9, 2021 22:48:50 GMT

OK, I’m not 100% sure you’re seeing the finer points of the list.

Starting with the issues you’ve raised, yes I have 4 casters, I’m not sold on pure lore of death as I could go loremaster High.
His 4++ is obviously good but the fact he’s immune to mundane attacks makes him a lot better, against damage causing spells he’s 2++ then he’s stubborn cold blooded 10 rerollable in combat means he needs to be killed and he’s WS10 combined with the other skink priests iceshard you’re looking at 6’s to hit.

On the skink front, their ability to support the lower ws saurus or skink is really good - and Tetto is just golden. The vanguard is extremely useful, the loremaster is superb but the ability to reroll 1’s* is just sublime *ok sure there’s a 17% chance you reroll 6’s but 83% in your favour is a no brainier.

The scar vets are 1+ AS and not to be sniffed at but I do agree, the army is lacking on another block and this is where I’d usually take the temple guard, as mentioned these guys are good but I’d like to play my army in a different way from time to time.

I could drop any of the special choices to get points, rather not drop the ancient steg as this also helps my magic phase.

Bret/Dwarf/Lizardmen/Tomb King/Wood elf/Vampire counts - Purest of 8th.

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Critique this! Apr 9, 2021 23:48:46 GMT via mobile

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Post by dlwii on Apr 9, 2021 23:48:46 GMT

I missed the crown of command on the slaan. If you can find a Lore that allows spells to be cast while in combat, than the need for a 2nd block is mitigated.

If he's up against a unit without magic attacks, he could lock that unit down all game.

I can't imagine how hilariously frustrating it would be for some juggernaut of a unit being tanked by a wizard! Lol

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Critique this! Apr 10, 2021 7:03:39 GMT via mobile

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Post by gregwarhamsters on Apr 10, 2021 7:03:39 GMT

If I went loremaster of high I know I can swap but it’s random and slow, of all the armies I have Lizards are probably the most flexible for magic lores but I can’t help myself default to high as I’m greedy and want all eight spells.

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gorfung Senior Member Posts: 274	Critique this! Apr 10, 2021 14:37:44 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by gorfung on Apr 10, 2021 14:37:44 GMT the slann can just be combat res'd too death by crumbling unfortunatly, so have too protect him from charges is the biggest thing, he doesnt need crown of command cause he can't leave combat till he dies/crumbles or wins.

dlwii New Member Posts: 15	Critique this! Apr 10, 2021 15:04:39 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by dlwii on Apr 10, 2021 15:04:39 GMT I didn't realize the slaan being ethereal would subject him to the same crumbling rules as the undead. But I guess it does. In which case he better stick to tanking monsters then.

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Critique this! Apr 11, 2021 12:47:15 GMT via Tapatalk dlwii likes this

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Post by strutsagget on Apr 11, 2021 12:47:15 GMT

Apr 10, 2021 15:04:39 GMT dlwii said:

I didn't realize the slaan being ethereal would subject him to the same crumbling rules as the undead. But I guess it does.

In which case he better stick to tanking monsters then.

Ethereal rule does not by it self but the Slann Disciple - higher stat of consciousness include both ethereal and unstable and can not join units.

My army threads;
Chaos Dwarfs: eefl.freeforums.net/thread/1020/evil-angry-dwarfs-project?page=5
Pointy ears: eefl.freeforums.net/thread/871/all-ears-pointy-de-project

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Critique this! May 27, 2021 16:15:19 GMT strutsagget and dlwii like this

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Post by gregwarhamsters on May 27, 2021 16:15:19 GMT

Apr 5, 2021 11:41:01 GMT dlwii said:

I know the slaan/temple guard block is always in every list. But its there for a reason. Because it works really good.

As I mentioned - wanted to get away from the block of Temple guard as I know it's very good and I've used in on many occurances before.

So, first game back and I'm playing Skaven, Abomb out front but so be it. He went first, rolled high into my vanguarding skinks who died (in what was my turn) but the very first time I used the Slann he miscast. Rolled a 3 so couln't do anythng about it, rolled another 3 when it came to seeing whether or not he stayed on the table.

Abomb got into another unit and then chased towards tetto, in all fairness Tetto did get the abomb down to a single wound before dying himself. Remainder of the army did what it could but Iceshard spam can only do so much. All over by the end of turn 4.

I'll play the list again this Friday as I don't think I can honestly say it's rubbish having a slann out on their own. Had he been in a unit I'd have been touching 144 points of Temple guard

Greg

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Post by gregwarhamsters on Apr 2, 2021 20:54:58 GMT

Post by jukei on Apr 4, 2021 9:48:29 GMT

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Post by dlwii on Apr 9, 2021 23:48:46 GMT

Post by gregwarhamsters on Apr 10, 2021 7:03:39 GMT

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Post by gregwarhamsters on May 27, 2021 16:15:19 GMT