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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 12:16:53 GMT
Hi,
I have a question on Skweel's Exceptional Pack rule and how it works with any characters deployed in the unit. Particularly thinking of a unit of Rat Ogres with a Warlord on Bonebreaker deployed with them.
My understanding is that the rule takes effect after the unit is deployed so normally it would happen before the character joins the unit (as they are deployed later) and therefore not impact the character. But what if you are playing a scenario like Dawn Attack when the character is added to the unit before it is deployed?
Would the rule:
1: Not have any effect on the Character 2: Only apply to the Bonebreaker, but not the Warlord (while this one makes the most sense to me I can't think of any reason why it would be the case) 3: Apply to both the Bonebreaker and the Warlord as they are 'part of the unit' and not listed in the exceptions in the rule (Skweel, Packmasters and Master Moulders)
I suspect it's an oversight and it should be 1, but I can't find anything rules wise that means the character wouldn't get the benefit.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Oct 28, 2021 13:39:48 GMT
When you deploy characters, you can deploy them immediately in a unit.
BRB p. 142: "All characters must be deployed last, again taking up just one turn, but may be set up in separate locations or units in their deployment zone."
The Skweel's Exceptional Pack special rule does not affect "the unit," but "the pack." Hence, it only affects models that have the Rat Pack or Beast Pack special rule. Neither the Warlord nor Bonebreaker has such a rule.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Oct 28, 2021 16:59:18 GMT
You can disregard my remark about deploying characters as irrelevant. While Skweel Gnawtooth's description is among those of special characters, and he is said to be deployed into his unit, as a packmaster, he is not actually a character, but a champion. My memory is not what it never used to be.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 9:16:28 GMT
Thanks, my fault for not paying enough attention to rules.
Follow-up question. If the pack gained Regeneration from Skweel and, due to some unfortunate rolling, the Warlord was to suffer a wound from a Flaming Attack but nobody else in the unit suffered a wound, would they still lose Regeneration for the rest of the phase? I'm assuming they would lose it as the Warlord is part of the unit.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Oct 29, 2021 11:33:02 GMT
This falls under BRB p. 100; "Unless otherwise noted in the text of the rule itself, a special rule applying only to a character does not apply to the unit, and vice versa." Although the Warlord is part of the unit, the Regeneration rule does not apply to him, and the negation of Regeneration by Flaming Attacks is part of the Regeneration rule. Likewise, a character with Regeneration in a unit without that special rule would not lose Regeneration, if a R&F model was wounded by a FA.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 11:54:25 GMT
Thanks.
So what if a Packmaster was wounded by a Flaming Attack, would the Rat Ogres lose Regeneration then?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Oct 29, 2021 18:27:26 GMT
Yes. Packmasters are champions with special rules, but nevertheless champions, and thus, ultimately, rank & file models.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Oct 29, 2021 22:05:20 GMT
Of course, fluffwise it does seem a bit odd. Although fluff has no bearing on the rules, the rule was probably written with units in mind where all the models have Regeneration. In addition, the Skaven AB is still 7th edition, where the rules just said that Wounds from Flaming Attacks could not be regenerated, not that the unit lost Regeneration for the rest of the phase.
Your opponent and you can always agree to a house rule.
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