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Post by Luigino on Feb 9, 2023 21:57:27 GMT
Initial starter box will be TK vs Bretts Why would this ever happen? it makes no sense. Not from a marketing standpoint nor from a commercial one. TK and Bretonnia were NOT popular armies, had they been we would not have seen them linger behind and have their model line canned at the first occasion. And despite what a loud minority of people online might clamour, they're still not among the most popular armies. From a marketing perspective, it makes little sense as a starter box should provide an appealing army more than anything else. In that sense they could have Bretonnia (with a mix of infantry and cavalry models), but then TK makes absolutely no sense. It also doesn't make sense if they're focusing on the old world. I think most peopel think we're getting a new edition of WFB. I really don't think that's the case. I think we're getting a different game, which is vaguely set in the WH fantasy universe and is visually similar to the game we played for years. That's it. Furthermore, if Bretonnia and TK do make a serious comeback, they'll rework them to be as GW-esque specific as possible, As of now, both ranges (excluding perhaps a few unique units) are far too generic by GW standards.
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Post by imrillion on Feb 9, 2023 22:01:08 GMT
Initial starter box will be TK vs Bretts Why would this ever happen? it makes no sense. Not from a marketing standpoint nor from a commercial one. TK and Bretonnia were NOT popular armies, had they been we would not have seen them linger behind and have their model line canned at the first occasion. And despite what a loud minority of people online might clamour, they're still not among the most popular armies. From a marketing perspective, it makes little sense as a starter box should provide an appealing army more than anything else. In that sense they could have Bretonnia (with a mix of infantry and cavalry models), but then TK makes absolutely no sense. It also doesn't make sense if they're focusing on the old world. I think most peopel think we're getting a new edition of WFB. I really don't think that's the case. I think we're getting a different game, which is vaguely set in the WH fantasy universe and is visually similar to the game we played for years. That's it. Furthermore, if Bretonnia and TK do make a serious comeback, they'll rework them to be as GW-esque specific as possible, As of now, both ranges (excluding perhaps a few unique units) are far too generic by GW standards. U don’t need to believe it, just stare off into the distance, misty eyed n say “I was there… when the modern Nostradamus made those predictions”
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Post by thegoat on Feb 9, 2023 22:32:41 GMT
I think most peopel think we're getting a new edition of WFB. I really don't think that's the case. I think we're getting a different game, which is vaguely set in the WH fantasy universe and is visually similar to the game we played for years. That's it. I agree with most of what you said. But GW are 100% pushing WH:TOW as a new edition of WFB. - Square bases
- Rules inspired by best parts of older WFB editions
- People can use their classic WFB armies
- The return of factions that died with WFB
It would be a catastrophic failure to build hype for four years only to release a game that is superficially similar to WFB.
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Post by Grimfang Gogulk on Feb 9, 2023 22:50:38 GMT
I thought for a while the rumours about Bretonnians and Khemri could be true.. Figured they focussed on the Crusades. But that might be too much potential PC in these times, lol.. But it makes sense having more popular amries in the starter box. You just can´t beat the classic Orcs & Goblins - and then the Empire.. Pretty damn fun and basic for people. But it is more hopes than anything.. Any things from Total War: Warhammer that can gives us any hints?Not played it, but I kinda want to..
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Post by Luigino on Feb 10, 2023 0:49:53 GMT
U don’t need to believe it, just stare off into the distance, misty eyed n say “I was there… when the modern Nostradamus made those predictions” I hope that in the distance I'll be able to hear the faint notes of an epic sax
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Post by Luigino on Feb 10, 2023 0:54:28 GMT
[I agree with most of what you said. But GW are 100% pushing WH:TOW as a new edition of WFB. - Square bases
- Rules inspired by best parts of older WFB editions
- People can use their classic WFB armies
- The return of factions that died with WFB
It would be a catastrophic failure to build hype for four years only to release a game that is superficially similar to WFB. Sure, but I don't think we'll have army books, and most importantly it won't have the same scope.
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Post by thegoat on Feb 10, 2023 1:06:20 GMT
[I agree with most of what you said. But GW are 100% pushing WH:TOW as a new edition of WFB. - Square bases
- Rules inspired by best parts of older WFB editions
- People can use their classic WFB armies
- The return of factions that died with WFB
It would be a catastrophic failure to build hype for four years only to release a game that is superficially similar to WFB. Sure, but I don't think we'll have army books, and most importantly it won't have the same scope. The rules for each faction's units and characters will have to be recorded somewhere. Whether or not that is in something called army books or a books of a different name doesn't really change the nature of the game. That is more of a marketing strategy decision. What does, "it won't have the same scope" mean? Surely the game will still be two armies fighting a battle. Right?
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Post by imrillion on Feb 10, 2023 1:33:56 GMT
[I agree with most of what you said. But GW are 100% pushing WH:TOW as a new edition of WFB. - Square bases
- Rules inspired by best parts of older WFB editions
- People can use their classic WFB armies
- The return of factions that died with WFB
It would be a catastrophic failure to build hype for four years only to release a game that is superficially similar to WFB. Sure, but I don't think we'll have army books, and most importantly it won't have the same scope. Mate I can guarantee 100% u will get army books. Some of the ex employees I’ve interviewed are working as contract writers now for exactly that. I can’t say any more but I’m sure u can work it out
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Post by Luigino on Feb 10, 2023 1:52:02 GMT
I haven't explained myself very well.
While they might be drumming attention and claiming to want to recapture previous players, their main focus will be first and foremost to move more product.
If it's just warhammer fantasy 9th edition, they're starting by shooting themselves in the foot because most of the people who would be interested won't have much reason to buy new models.
If it's more of a self contained game (AKA a specialist game), then perhaps I could see it with minimal support from GW releasing new rules and supplement periodically (but then why all of this push and drumming up interest?).
If it's warhammer but bigger then they're incurring in the same problem that stifled the game and led to its demise in the first place.
So either it's a game targeted to a small niche audience of inveterated players(to whom steep barrier of entry is not a problem) or it's a game targeted to a wider, newer audience (in which case it cannot have the same scope of large armies on the table since it would spell its doom before launch).
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Post by thegoat on Feb 10, 2023 2:05:57 GMT
Sure, but I don't think we'll have army books, and most importantly it won't have the same scope. Mate I can guarantee 100% u will get army books. Some of the ex employees I’ve interviewed are working as contract writers now for exactly that. I can’t say any more but I’m sure u can work it out Yea, Army Books are fundamental to GW's business model. AoS has battle Battletombs, 40K has Codexices, Horus Heresy has the Liber XYZ books, Necromunda has a faction books for each gang, heck even Blood Bowl has a Spike! magazine for each team. I'll be quite surprised If WH:TOW doesn't have Army Books (or something similar).
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Post by johngg on Feb 10, 2023 9:52:25 GMT
Yepp. Pretty sure most of us with like some shit, hate others.. Ugh.. Hopefully the ratio of good vs trash is positive.. :/ There is a lot I like with 8th Ed coming from 6th kinda. Hordes is not one of them. Armies look boring when you have some 10x4 units - bus you call it? And some big fuckers around it plus some other support. It is just more interesting with several, smaller units, generally. Like the classic 5x4. It looks much better and gives more opportunities for tactical play when you face 20 White lions and 20 Swordmasters instead of 40 Swordmasters ina big blob for example... I wish they did something like 40k Apocalypse for larger battles instead, or just having Hordes in larger battles, 3000p plus.. But that is me.. What i don´t find worth it now, is bothering about T9A or WAP though. 8th Ed until TOW pops out and then we´ll see.... All very true, though I do think a lot of those hurts are self inflicted. The 'meta' has a lot to answer for.
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Post by johngg on Feb 10, 2023 9:59:21 GMT
Ok, here’s my predictions, call me the Aussie Nostradamus Infantry going up in size to the new modern scale. Agree. Current infantry can be put on larger movement trays, no need to rebase. I think there's going to be some schenanighans with movement trays allowing square / round bases. Initial starter box will be TK vs Bretts Sweet dreams are made of this... I still hoping for a 2023 summer (N hemi) release. Empire are getting faction books Nahhh.... it'll be one big book with factional variations. Think 'Regiments' in the old old Imperial Guard codex. Daemons are not getting mono god books. Despite the rumours This would be a crying shame. I recon the 'Legions of...' will be the thing You've clearly missed all the Warycry/Underworlds/Netherealm stuff Click, Click, Boom!
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Post by johngg on Feb 10, 2023 10:07:39 GMT
While they might be drumming attention and claiming to want to recapture previous players, their main focus will be first and foremost to move more product. Soooomuch this. Hoooow many time do we have to hear GW is a manufacturing company before people start beliveing it? The ONLY reason they bother with rules is beecause its very good marketing for their products. If it's more of a self contained game (AKA a specialist game), then perhaps I could see it with minimal support from GW releasing new rules and supplement periodically (but then why all of this push and drumming up interest?). I think I recall hearing/reading WFB will be to AoS what Heresy is to 40k. And look how seriously GW are taking Heresy now [finally]. If it's warhammer but bigger then they're incurring in the same problem that stifled the game and led to its demise in the first place. Lack of GW support killed the game end of. We're seeing that support come back! So either it's a game targeted to a small niche audience of inveterated players(to whom steep barrier of entry is not a problem) or it's a game targeted to a wider, newer audience (in which case it cannot have the same scope of large armies on the table since it would spell its doom before launch). Very good point. I think its going to be watever it needs to be, or what GW thinks it needs to be to.... see your first point. All in all I'm alined with your sentiment.
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Post by johngg on Feb 10, 2023 10:08:53 GMT
Yea, Army Books are fundamental to GW's business model. AoS has battle Battletombs, 40K has Codexices, Horus Heresy has the Liber XYZ books, Necromunda has a faction books for each gang, heck even Blood Bowl has a Spike! magazine for each team. I'll be quite surprised If WH:TOW doesn't have Army Books (or something similar). Definitely.
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Post by Grimfang Gogulk on Feb 10, 2023 10:23:11 GMT
All very true, though I do think a lot of those hurts are self inflicted. The 'meta' has a lot to answer for.
Yeah, but that meta popped up because GW pushed WFB to need more models. While also raising prices of regimental boxes and giving you less in them. Really stupid and greedy. As it killed the game due to falling sales..
For a long time, blossoming sale of it, they should have kept it going at the size it was, now and then push new books and models for each race, so people buy more that way or new/different armies. It works, it did work, they justgot greedy and killed their own buisness. All that Hordes shit helped along that path..
Then they discovered that people still play various editions of WFB, but they are not making a profit off it as people buy 2nd hand or other models and a little bit of Age of S(hite).. They don´t release TOW to be nice, they do it because they think they should have those money again..
Let´s see if they learned anything...
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