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Post by Mallo on Oct 10, 2023 18:18:50 GMT
I do expect this week to (finally) be the announcement of what will be coming out as the first release (even if not a solid date) but we really shouldn't trust GW when they say the stream is going to have big news.
They did the exact same the last two times they had these streams (For WFB and for MESBG) and the reveals were terribly slim pickings.
They over hype everything to get people to tune in. The last MESBG was god awful, all that hype like we are seeing now and a single limited FOMO sculpt. Pointless putting the reveal on.
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Post by mottdon on Oct 10, 2023 21:55:23 GMT
I do expect this week to (finally) be the announcement of what will be coming out as the first release (even if not a solid date) but we really shouldn't trust GW when they say the stream is going to have big news. They did the exact same the last two times they had these streams (For WFB and for MESBG) and the reveals were terribly slim pickings. They over hype everything to get people to tune in. The last MESBG was god awful, all that hype like we are seeing now and a single limited FOMO sculpt. Pointless putting the reveal on. Yeah, I'm afraid that GW will see a lot of veterans and even more importantly, newbies, just walk away and completely forget about TOW altogether, if they make this a limp-duck effort. It's been teased for too long at this point. If they don't announce a release date this time, I think they'll lose a fatality large chunk of potential backers. Good faith only goes so far.
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Post by A human on Oct 13, 2023 9:26:15 GMT
I do expect this week to (finally) be the announcement of what will be coming out as the first release (even if not a solid date) but we really shouldn't trust GW when they say the stream is going to have big news. They did the exact same the last two times they had these streams (For WFB and for MESBG) and the reveals were terribly slim pickings. They over hype everything to get people to tune in. The last MESBG was god awful, all that hype like we are seeing now and a single limited FOMO sculpt. Pointless putting the reveal on. Yeah, I'm afraid that GW will see a lot of veterans and even more importantly, newbies, just walk away and completely forget about TOW altogether, if they make this a limp-duck effort. It's been teased for too long at this point. If they don't announce a release date this time, I think they'll lose a fatality large chunk of potential backers. Good faith only goes so far.
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Post by herjan1987 on Oct 14, 2023 2:18:55 GMT
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Post by thegoat on Oct 14, 2023 13:54:00 GMT
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Post by sedge on Oct 14, 2023 14:06:08 GMT
They haven't quite confirmed all the kits coming back, but the Trebuchet has been redone in "Forge World Resin" and they've said various other characters and "specialist units" will get the same treatment. Hopeful I can finally get some of the old Questing Knights...
Also, the new foot Knights of the Realm, they've said many of the parts (e.g. heads) will fit onto the mounted KoTR kit, which is good.
It's not just "early 2024" - they specified it'd be "one of the first releases of 2024", which is great. We'll also hear more about the TK releases soon.
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Post by Mallo on Oct 14, 2023 14:06:27 GMT
WH:TOW release confirmed for early 2024. Classic citadel metal models are being retooled into forgeworld resin. (bretonnian trebuchet confirmed) Why?! Spin cast metal is better than resin.Probably because people are crying online about having to build big models from metal! I think this reveal has given us a good idea of what will be brought back and what is going to be resin, which is going to make buying up 2nd hand metals easier right now without feeling like I'm being ripped off if the model should suddenly return. I'm always happy to pay a bit more for metals, but the cost of forgeworld resin (and the fact out of the 8 or so kits I have ever brought from them 2 of them arrived broken) I think I will limit myself to a single model per army and not buy anything else resin. Things like the Brettonian battle standard bearer can easily be converted, I'm bound to by 2/3 pegasus kits to make the various champions and going to have that great big plastic banner left over. I suspect that a box of 10 knights on foot will cost the same as the resin BSB, so thats an easy (and fun!) conversion. I'll look to do that for every army! Well looks like it was due to release this year then but been pushed to the new year. Time to let my misses know I've changed my mind on buying any of the battleforces this year and to just save the cash for the new year!
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Post by Mallo on Oct 14, 2023 14:08:26 GMT
Also, the new foot Knights of the Realm, they've said many of the parts (e.g. heads) will fit onto the mounted KoTR kit, which is good. Yeah this is excellent, as there does appear to be a lot of spare parts. The kit I'm sure will be costly (I'd say €60 for 10) but all those spare parts will go a long way across a whole army. A real converting lovers dream!
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Post by Mallo on Oct 14, 2023 14:35:38 GMT
Reading the article there as well, some of the the bowmen and infantry kits are returning in huge boxes of 32 models.
So it seems like the bowmen are being shown as units of 18, but you get 32 in a box. I suspect this is going to cause a bit of outcry when people realise these new big boxes being advertised as being able to build full units, are likely to have too many or two few to actually play the units as they intend the game to play!
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Post by thegoat on Oct 14, 2023 14:48:02 GMT
Reading the article there as well, some of the the bowmen and infantry kits are returning in huge boxes of 32 models. So it seems like the bowmen are being shown as units of 18, but you get 32 in a box. I suspect this is going to cause a bit of outcry when people realise these new big boxes being advertised as being able to build full units, are likely to have too many or two few to actually play the units as they intend the game to play! I missed that when I skimmed the article. Thirty-two models of one troop type is a lot. A twenty model box of marines for horus heresy costs $80 or $4 per model. Even if bretonnia peasant infantry are cheaper at $3 per model, the box will be $100. Not an impulse buy.
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Post by Mallo on Oct 14, 2023 15:24:26 GMT
Reading the article there as well, some of the the bowmen and infantry kits are returning in huge boxes of 32 models. So it seems like the bowmen are being shown as units of 18, but you get 32 in a box. I suspect this is going to cause a bit of outcry when people realise these new big boxes being advertised as being able to build full units, are likely to have too many or two few to actually play the units as they intend the game to play! I missed that when I skimmed the article. Thirty-two models of one troop type is a lot. A twenty model box of marines for horus heresy costs $80 or $4 per model. Even if bretonnia peasant infantry are cheaper at $3 per model, the box will be $100. Not an impulse buy. I think a lot of people (not already into WFB that is) are going to be shocked by the new price tag. I think they made it clear before that this isn't a wargame to get into as a started (or as someone that has a budget!) I suspect I will buy into the Bretonnians as the army I never had the funds for as a youth, but other than that it will be plastics/bundle sets only. I understand this is a 'niche' game within an already niche hobby, but I feel bad for anyone that doesn't have a huge backlog to dip into to even out the cost of starting this. I do count on the FOMO buyers though that have buyers remorse 6 months on, I should be able to pick up a fair bit of stuff via the 2nd hand market. Especially once the game has been out a while and they decide to give it an overhaul and have all the 'old' books invalidated at once!
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Post by herjan1987 on Oct 14, 2023 18:33:47 GMT
So here are the things I like from this preview:
Knight of the Realm on foot with sword and board
Old minis returning ( hoping of for Grail and Questing Knights and Battle pilgrims aswell )
Fey Enchantress, who still rules
What I dislike is:
Handmaiden of the Lady
Knight of the Realm on foot with great weapons
Possible pricing
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Post by herjan1987 on Oct 14, 2023 18:37:35 GMT
Reading the article there as well, some of the the bowmen and infantry kits are returning in huge boxes of 32 models. So it seems like the bowmen are being shown as units of 18, but you get 32 in a box. I suspect this is going to cause a bit of outcry when people realise these new big boxes being advertised as being able to build full units, are likely to have too many or two few to actually play the units as they intend the game to play! I missed that when I skimmed the article. Thirty-two models of one troop type is a lot. A twenty model box of marines for horus heresy costs $80 or $4 per model. Even if bretonnia peasant infantry are cheaper at $3 per model, the box will be $100. Not an impulse buy. I feel lucky now, that I bought a orc lot, which consisted of 93 infantry models and 2 chariots for 74 pounds.
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Post by thegoat on Oct 15, 2023 15:52:38 GMT
WH:TOW release confirmed for early 2024. Classic citadel metal models are being retooled into forgeworld resin. (bretonnian trebuchet confirmed) Why?! Spin cast metal is better than resin.Probably because people are crying online about having to build big models from metal! What if the bretonnian trebuchet has actually been retooled into citadel finecast resin. But because of the universal hate for finecast, GW is marketing it as forgeworld resin. If you don't know here is the difference between citadel finecast and forgeworld resin: - Forgeworld uses gravity fed molds in a vacuum chamber to remove air and get the resin to settle.
- Citadel finecast uses a centrifugal spin casting machine to spin the mold to get the resin to settle.
The more I think about it, the more I believe my theory could be correct.
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Post by Mallo on Oct 15, 2023 16:46:31 GMT
Probably because people are crying online about having to build big models from metal! What if the bretonnian trebuchet has actually been retooled into citadel finecast resin. But because of the universal hate for finecast, GW is marketing it as forgeworld resin. If you don't know here is the difference between citadel finecast and forgeworld resin: - Forgeworld uses gravity fed molds in a vacuum chamber to remove air and get the resin to settle.
- Citadel finecast uses a centrifugal spin casting machine to spin the mold to get the resin to settle.
The more I think about it, the more I believe my theory could be correct.
Yeah we will know for sure when we see the first release. I suspect it to have the finecast sprue if they have retooled it for finecast. And those great big resin chunks if its forgeworld. I suspect it will be forgeworld prices even if it is finecast
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