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Post by thorpyuk on Mar 8, 2023 21:43:00 GMT
If a unit is in close combat with another unit that can only attack the unit champion (standard 'veteran' upgrade with 2 attacks, not a hero or lord), are they forced to attack only the champion, or do the attacks go onto the unit? (EG champion on corner with only 1mm or so of the unit touching etc)
I see a few touting this as a points denial strategy when combined with tough lords/hero's in the front rank.
If that is indeed correct, does it work In combination with the 'make way' rule?
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Post by rahotep75 on Mar 8, 2023 22:27:29 GMT
Without house rules, yes, a model that is only touching a champion may only attack the champion and any excess wounds on the champ are lost.
As far as make way goes, I assume you’re asking if you can make way with a champ to minimize wounds in this manner, and the answer is no, since champions can not make way.
If you are asking something else about make way, then you need to clarify what you mean.
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Post by johngg on Mar 14, 2023 15:27:57 GMT
You HAVE to hit what you're in base contact with. If your unit is ONLY in base to base with the enemy unit champion then (s)he's getting swatted.
Only character may 'make way' but they do not have to.
Another thing to consider, Challenge...
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Post by thorpyuk on Mar 15, 2023 20:56:03 GMT
Thanks both- I suppose it would be a very rare occurance- the charge would have to hit only the corner of the unit, and the unit champion would have to be positioned on the end
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Post by johngg on Mar 17, 2023 11:52:03 GMT
without out seeing or understanding the exact positioning its a bit difficult to comment. All we can do is tell you what the rules say!
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Mar 17, 2023 14:56:28 GMT
Thanks both- I suppose it would be a very rare occurance- the charge would have to hit only the corner of the unit, and the unit champion would have to be positioned on the end Depends. There is even a tactic for smaller units based on that premise: the conga line, where the unit consists of a single file, with the champion in front position. Particularly effective if that unit can have multiple champions, but frowned upon. |
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Post by sonofkurnos on Mar 17, 2023 15:02:18 GMT
You HAVE to hit what you're in base contact with. If your unit is ONLY in base to base with the enemy unit champion then (s)he's getting swatted. Only character may 'make way' but they do not have to. Another thing to consider, Challenge... Perhaps more likely on single rank heavy cav where you can have the champ on either flank? |
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Post by vulcan on Mar 17, 2023 15:11:22 GMT
Doesn't the command group have to go in the center of the front rank? So it would either be 3-strong monstrous cav, or conventional cavalry that has been reduced to the command group where it comes into play, and even then only if you charge the side where the champion is.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Mar 17, 2023 15:15:51 GMT
vulcan: In 8th edition, the CG does not need to be in the centre anymore, just in the front rank. They do not even have to be next to each other. BRB p. 92: "Any models that make up a unit's command group must be placed in the front rank of the unit, unless there is not enough room for them to fit. Where this happens, as many command group models as possible must be placed in the front rank and any remaining models are placed in the rank behind."
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Post by thorpyuk on Mar 18, 2023 10:37:09 GMT
I think my champ goes on the end from now on!  |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Mar 18, 2023 11:47:50 GMT
Remember that, as part of a normal move, a reform or a combat reform, the champion can change his position (within certain limits, e.g. not move more than twice his Movement rate).
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