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Post by 1plussave on Mar 18, 2023 23:57:20 GMT
Some War Machines have a Crew with an Armour Save, however; all attacks outside of Close Combat are resolved Vs the machines Toughness, the Crews Armour Save is used to Save wounds.
I don't know if this is enough to cover the exact scenario in question; is Searing Doom capable of Wounding a War Machine where the Crew Have an Armour Save but the War Machine Profile itself does not?
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Post by DiscoQing on Mar 19, 2023 8:13:40 GMT
Yes it is 😊
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Mar 19, 2023 10:31:07 GMT
What DiscoQing says, and you yourself indicate. Since it is specifically stated that you use the crew's armour save against ranged attacks targeting the war machine, the war machine has an armour save, and Searing Doom will work. |
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Post by 1plussave on Mar 19, 2023 15:33:18 GMT
Fair enough, the change to the War Machine rules in 8th leaves a lot to be desired in the "Single model with wound tokens" explanation when the wound tokens have their own profile and equipment.
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Post by DiscoQing on Mar 19, 2023 22:24:27 GMT
It's a dual single profile 😉
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Mar 19, 2023 23:31:24 GMT
Well, for me, as an Attorney-at-Raw, it is covered by what I think actually should be the "most important rule": "unless specifically stated otherwise, normal rules apply." The rules in this case specifically state otherwise, ergo... "Theirs not to reason why, theirs just to roll the die..."
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Post by wundapantz on Mar 20, 2023 1:11:13 GMT
Just realised goblin Warmachines don't have an armour save unless you upgrade them to have a bully... From there, only the bully has light armour, and the bully is the last wound removed ...
Assuming there is at least 1 unarmoured crew member alive with the bully could you target the Warmachine with searing doom?
I would house rule (if there isn't already a rule) that as the whole model has an armour save of 6+ for shooting/magic purposes...
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Post by DiscoQing on Mar 20, 2023 7:56:41 GMT
Follow up query...
Does adding a billy mean the war machines have 4 wounds?
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Post by wundapantz on Mar 20, 2023 8:31:24 GMT
Extra wound, size matters, no fear elves, LD7 and they're the last model removed is in the rules or entry... But no information of how the combats go or how saves work until the last wound ...  |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Mar 20, 2023 9:32:51 GMT
With a Bully, the Rock Lobber has an armour save against ranged and CC attacks; hence, Searing Doom will work in principle. However, the Rock Lobber will not be able to use it, until it is down to one Goblin and the Bully.
BRB Official Update Version 1.9, p.8:
Q: When a unit has multiple toughness values or armour saves do you use the value of the majority or in the case of a tie, the best (p42, 43)?
A: Yes, unless specified otherwise.
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Post by DiscoQing on Mar 20, 2023 11:59:25 GMT
Aww, I had hopes that for 10pts the Field Trebuchet could gain an extra wound! (5!).
But alas, it says "Upgrade one Peasant crew to a Craftsman..."
Lame!
+1 WS and +1 Ld 🤣
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Post by wundapantz on Mar 21, 2023 3:00:31 GMT
Thanks @fvon
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Mar 21, 2023 8:39:15 GMT
On a side note: adding the Orc Bully also means that the war machine in question does not count as a "Goblin unit" any longer, and, if destroyed, will cause a Panic test in Orc units.
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