|
|
Post by thorpyuk on Apr 16, 2023 21:13:27 GMT
Hi all, have I read this right:
Unless a flank/rear charge is made by a unit with at least 1 rank, the unit being charged will not lose steadfast?
Is this because of the removal of 'unit strength'? When I say 'Single characters' I mean something like Karl Franz on an imperial dragon, rather than an empire Captain on his own!
|
|
|
|
Post by rahotep75 on Apr 16, 2023 21:22:11 GMT
The only way a unit can lose steadfast, normally, is for the enemy unit to have equal or more ranks. Or be in woods, or a river/lake. What it seems like you are asking about is Disruption, which requires TWO ranks, and only removes the opponent's combat rank bonus.
Neither a single Captain on his own, nor Karl Franz on the Imperial Dragon will break steadfast, or cause disruption, however both of them will get the bonus for a flank/rear charge, assuming they are still alive at the end of combat.
|
|
|
|
Post by FvonSigmaringen on Apr 16, 2023 22:16:47 GMT
What rahotep75 says. The reference to "unit strength" leads me to suspect you may be reading from an earlier edition, where "unit strength" was a rule, but "steadfast" not. |
|
|
|
Post by thorpyuk on Apr 17, 2023 10:43:48 GMT
Thanks, that's exactly what I thought...
Fvon, no I meant 'the removal of unit strength' in the context that I knew it had been removed for 8th...
One of those funny things- a massive dragon hits the flank & the unit hold steadfast, and yet a unit of 10 spearmen hit and they all go to pieces hehe
|
|
|
|
Post by rahotep75 on Apr 17, 2023 13:30:58 GMT
Thanks, that's exactly what I thought... Fvon, no I meant 'the removal of unit strength' in the context that I knew it had been removed for 8th... One of those funny things- a massive dragon hits the flank & the unit hold steadfast, and yet a unit of 10 spearmen hit and they all go to pieces hehe Assuming the unit charged by the spearmen had more than two ranks, they would still be steadfast, they would just lose their rank bonus, as long as no spearmen were killed. Steadfast, Disruption, and rank bonus are calculated at the end of a round of combat. If at the end of a combat, the unit in the flank or rear has been reduced below two ranks, then it can no longer disrupt an enemy. |
|
|
|
Post by vulcan on Apr 17, 2023 15:22:57 GMT
It's just the silliness of 10 spearmen - so what, 2000 lbs or so in total - can disrupt, but 20 tones of Stegadon can't.
|
|
|
|
Post by FvonSigmaringen on Apr 17, 2023 22:01:26 GMT
vulcan: silly, nilly - fluff has no bearing on the rules.
|
|
|
|
Post by vulcan on Apr 18, 2023 17:31:23 GMT
vulcan : silly, nilly - fluff has no bearing on the rules. Sadly true. There are things in Warhammer that totally lack verisimilitude. |
|
|
|
Post by FvonSigmaringen on Apr 18, 2023 21:57:45 GMT
vulcan: No argument there. In part it is because of the very nature of a table top game; in part it is because of specific GW choices, like the fluff explanation of a rule. Many fail to understand: the rule comes first, the fluff explanation is just an add-on, which may or may not have verisimilitude. Compare it with Sherlock Holmes and his "logical" solutions for a particular problem: Holmes's logic is always proven to be correct, because the author wants him to be correct. There could be a dozen or so other (and even more) logical solutions to the problem, but the author has the last word.
|
|
