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Post by KevinC on Jun 8, 2023 1:19:24 GMT
Click the link below to download the free 2023 Revised Edition of WARHAMMER: GROM!Inside you will find: • The destiny of Grom the Paunch of Misty Mountain and his role in the fall of Ulthuan. • Seven new variant army lists for the Orcs & Goblins, detailing different Waaagh! invasions from across the Warhammer world! - Including the Goblin King's Horde, Gnoblar Hordes and the Gloomspite Gitz!• Tons of new units including Goblin Jesters, Chaos Goblins, Night Goblin Scuttlers and the massive Cauldron of Grom! • Background and rules for new special characters including Grom the Paunch - Incarnate of Mork and Bane of Elves, Morhog Da Mighty, and Leader-Eater - Master of Gnoblar Country. • An entire narrative campaign consisting of four linked scenarios detailing the second Goblin invasion of the Elven kingdom of Yvresse led by Grom the Paunch. This 2023 update includes a full army list for the Gloomspite Gitz, a full narrative campaign (Goblins v. High Elves), revised rules, new equipment and magic item, and more special characters...
About the Creators Written by Kevin Coleman. Kevin has been collecting Goblins since the late ‘80s and has written for the Citadel Journal and White Dwarf magazine. Several years ago, Kevin wrote the Dwarfs of Chaos Indy GT army book, an unofficial supplement accepted into various tournaments and Warhammer games across the world. Illustrated by Randy Elliott. Randy has been an avid Warhammer Orcs and Goblins player since 3rd edition. He also happens to have spent a number of years working in comics and painting fantasy images for CCGs. PDF FILE LINK: WARHAMMER: GROM
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Post by elektregertis on Jun 8, 2023 8:06:32 GMT
First of all well done! You all did an amazing job! Love the work you guys did!
Again well done!
I found a few things that maybe should be changed a little.
PAge 70, they are allready immune to psychology so aption 3 should change
page 68 troll chieftain with ws 5 and river upgrade is the ultimate tank, ws 10 hits on 5 ... Need ws 4 at best.
page 18, if you reroll duplicates. you allow only one reroll per dice? If no then you can necer have a 2 or a 12
I will read it all by the end of the week and provide more feedback
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Post by baaderthegreat on Jun 8, 2023 8:41:07 GMT
Great as always!
I'll enjoy reading this this weekend.
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Post by KevinC on Jun 8, 2023 12:04:52 GMT
First of all well done! You all did an amazing job! Love the work you guys did! Again well done! I found a few things that maybe should be changed a little. PAge 70, they are allready immune to psychology so aption 3 should change page 68 troll chieftain with ws 5 and river upgrade is the ultimate tank, ws 10 hits on 5 ... Need ws 4 at best. page 18, if you reroll duplicates. you allow only one reroll per dice? If no then you can necer have a 2 or a 12 I will read it all by the end of the week and provide more feedback I found a few things that maybe should be changed a little. PAge 70, they are allready immune to psychology so aption 3 should change ------------Sneaky Snufflers can feed their mushroom to themselves or another Goblins unit within 6".page 68 troll chieftain with ws 5 and river upgrade is the ultimate tank, ws 10 hits on 5 ... Need ws 4 at best. -------------The Troll Chieftain is a hero-level character. Standard Trolls are WS3, so a hero Troll should be WS5. W10 will hit them on a 3+ or 4+ if a River Troll. I think that is what you mean?page 18, if you reroll duplicates. you allow only one reroll per dice? If no then you can necer have a 2 or a 12 --------------I'm not sure what you mean. The rules mean, if you roll a 7 you gain Fear. If you roll a 7 again, reroll until you get a result other than another 7.
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Post by baaderthegreat on Jun 8, 2023 15:22:24 GMT
Hi Kevin,
there's a question that I already had for the first version (and this didn't change with the new one)...
For nearly all the new Orcs & Goblins characters, its says "Any Orcs & Goblins army may include X...".
It doesn't say so, however, for Ruglud Bonechewer. Is this intended? Can he only be taken in a Black Host of Morhog army list and not in a "normal" Orcs & Golbins army? Or is this a mistake?
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Post by KevinC on Jun 8, 2023 16:29:03 GMT
Hi Kevin, there's a question that I already had for the first version (and this didn't change with the new one)... For nearly all the new Orcs & Goblins characters, its says "Any Orcs & Goblins army may include X...". It doesn't say so, however, for Ruglud Bonechewer. Is this intended? Can he only be taken in a Black Host of Morhog army list and not in a "normal" Orcs & Golbins army? Or is this a mistake? -------Regarding new units - they were designed for the variant army lists they are presented in. However, some new units also have the note that "any Orcs & Goblins army may include" them, this means the unit can also be included in an army using the standard O&G army list. But, since this is all unofficial anyway, you should feel free to use any of the new units in any way you wish....there is no reason why Ruglud can't be taken in an army using the main O&G list. |
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Post by baaderthegreat on Jun 9, 2023 6:40:51 GMT
By now, I have read a good deal of the new stuff in the book, and I just want to say: thank you, thank you, thank you.
At some point in the future, I'll definitely play the Yvresse in Flames campaign. It looks very promising.
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Post by KevinC on Jun 9, 2023 13:02:11 GMT
By now, I have read a good deal of the new stuff in the book, and I just want to say: thank you, thank you, thank you. At some point in the future, I'll definitely play the Yvresse in Flames campaign. It looks very promising. ----I'm glad you like it! Thank you. |
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Post by baaderthegreat on Jun 11, 2023 12:17:39 GMT
Hi Kevin,
I have a few more questions...
Old and new edition
- Is a Forest Goblin BSB allowed to take the Spider Banner? (Fluffwise, I'd say of course he can, but in the O&G rule book it says that the banner may "only be taken by a Goblin Battle Standard Bearer [no Night Goblin]"), and in this case "Goblin" means "common Goblin"...
- Snotling Horde: The Bonegrinder Giant being a Lords choice doesn't make him a character in this list, right? It only means that you use the Lords choice points budget for him?
- Snotling Horde: They have Goblins as a rare choice... am I right that these Goblins are not allowed to take Nasty Skulkers? It doesn't say so explicitely for Goblin units, but since the Skulkers are characters and the rules for Grobsnot say he is "the only character available for a Snotling Horde"...
- Snotling Horde: How many Pump Wagons are you allowed to take? In the Orc & Goblin army book, you are allowed to take 4 (8 for a grand army). However, in that book they are a rare choice, 4 Pump Wagons means here "twice as many". In the Snotling Horde, Pump Wagons are special choice. So... are you allowed to take a) 4 (8 for a grand army) like in a standard O&G army, b) 6 (12 in a grand army), cause this means "twice as many" for special choice units, or c) 3 (6 in a grand army), because none of this applies?
Only new edition:
- There is a picture of the Troll Hag on page 29, and then again a picture of the Troll Hag on page 30 (the page, however, is about the War Sloggoth). Is this a mistake?
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Post by KevinC on Jun 11, 2023 16:22:16 GMT
Hi Kevin, I have a few more questions... Old and new edition- Is a Forest Goblin BSB allowed to take the Spider Banner? (Fluffwise, I'd say of course he can, but in the O&G rule book it says that the banner may "only be taken by a Goblin Battle Standard Bearer [no Night Goblin]"), and in this case "Goblin" means "common Goblin"... -----------Yes a Forest Goblin BSB can take the Spider Banner (good catch)- Snotling Horde: The Bonegrinder Giant being a Lords choice doesn't make him a character in this list, right? It only means that you use the Lords choice points budget for him? ------------Right, although weird, he's not a character.- Snotling Horde: They have Goblins as a rare choice... am I right that these Goblins are not allowed to take Nasty Skulkers? It doesn't say so explicitely for Goblin units, but since the Skulkers are characters and the rules for Grobsnot say he is "the only character available for a Snotling Horde"... -----------They can take skulkers, Goblin units can take all their normal options as per their unit entry.- Snotling Horde: How many Pump Wagons are you allowed to take? In the Orc & Goblin army book, you are allowed to take 4 (8 for a grand army). However, in that book they are a rare choice, 4 Pump Wagons means here "twice as many". In the Snotling Horde, Pump Wagons are special choice. So... are you allowed to take a) 4 (8 for a grand army) like in a standard O&G army, b) 6 (12 in a grand army), cause this means "twice as many" for special choice units, or c) 3 (6 in a grand army), because none of this applies? -------------Good point, should be twice as many (so 6, with 12 in a Grand army). Only new edition:- There is a picture of the Troll Hag on page 29, and then again a picture of the Troll Hag on page 30 (the page, however, is about the War Sloggoth). Is this a mistake? ----------------------It's not a mistake, I didn't have a photo of a painted Sloggoth at the time.----------I answered in red above. |
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Post by baaderthegreat on Jun 11, 2023 17:24:30 GMT
Thank you for the answers, Kevin.
I'll consider your answers official errata for an inofficial expansion.  |
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Post by baaderthegreat on Jul 30, 2023 9:10:51 GMT
Hi Kevin,
another question. The Leader-Eater character for the Gnoblar army list is much cheaper now. He was 325 points in the old version, now he is 260 points.
Is this intended or is it a carryover from the previous page (since the Ma Da Grub character on the page before is 260 points too)?
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Post by KevinC on Aug 18, 2023 13:59:43 GMT
Hi Kevin, another question. The Leader-Eater character for the Gnoblar army list is much cheaper now. He was 325 points in the old version, now he is 260 points. Is this intended or is it a carryover from the previous page (since the Ma Da Grub character on the page before is 260 points too)? ----------Leader-Eater's point cost is correct. It's merely a coincidence that Ma has the same points value. |
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Post by KevinC on Dec 4, 2023 14:04:49 GMT
AMENDMENT: Page 106. The Black Gobbo may ride a Giant Cave Squig for +40 points (see Warhammer: Orcs & Goblins for details), but will no longer have the Concealed special rule. Additionally, the Black Gobbo may still attack with paired weapons in close combat despite being mounted. 
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Post by baaderthegreat on Mar 29, 2024 10:14:13 GMT
I'm aware that most people in this forum are now very hyped about TOW, but I still have a question about the good old 8th edition stuff...
Kevin, the rules for the Black Gobbo say:
"Concealed (see page 44 of Warhammer: Orcs & Goblins)"
However, the rules there are rules for Nasty Skulkers, which are an upgrade for the standard Goblin unit. That means that for Nasty Skulkers, it is very clear in which unit they are allowed to hide: the Goblin unit they belonged to from the start of the game; the Goblin unit that got these particular Nasty Skulkers as an upgrade.
However, the Black Gobbo isn't attached to a certain unit in the same way, which obviously means he can choose a unit. His rules don't contain any restricions, however... so can he hide inside ANY unit (Orcs, Trolls...)... or only Goblins?
Second question... you gave him "Hatred (Dwarfs)", which implies he is a Night Goblin (and he always was a Night Goblin, traditionally). But his Troop Type says: "Special Character, Goblin". Is this intended?
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