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Post by colonelburton on Dec 21, 2023 10:51:57 GMT
Empire AB p.43
Is this meant as the Grand Master joining the Demigryph Knights with a different base shape?
So e.g. 50mm // 50mm // 50mm // 25mm on a Warhorse next to 3x Demigryphs?
Because I can't find an option to give him a Demigryph as a mount. Feels like that should certainly be possible, though.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Dec 21, 2023 14:25:31 GMT
Yes. Unfortunately, he cannot take a DG.
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Post by colonelburton on Dec 21, 2023 14:36:24 GMT
Great. "Master of Battle" but he can't do what an Inner Circle Knight can. gg, GW
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Post by vulcan on Dec 21, 2023 18:39:29 GMT
Perhaps GW thought it would be unbalancing to put him on a Combat Chicken.  |
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Post by saniles on Dec 21, 2023 20:08:24 GMT
Master of Battle is not a master of chickens. Perhaps he had a bad experience with a mean rooster?
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Post by DiscoQing on Dec 21, 2023 20:58:16 GMT
Wider saddle - bad for the hips.
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Post by thegoat on Dec 22, 2023 11:37:14 GMT
Perhaps GW thought it would be unbalancing to put him on a Combat Chicken. Surely the Cockatrice is the real Combat Chicken. But on topic, the option to put him on a demigryph is missing only because citadel didn't make the appropriate model. No model, no army book entry. |
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Post by colonelburton on Dec 22, 2023 13:55:22 GMT
Uh... okay that actually makes sense. But based on that logic, I can pretty much fix that with the following
Demigryph Inner Circle Knight + Grand Master + House Rules = Proxed Grand Master on Demigryph + Knightly Order Inner Circle Knight
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Post by colonelburton on Dec 22, 2023 14:40:07 GMT
Hmm actually, let's explore this, from a purely mathematical and scientific perspective. D+ICK = 58 GM+H = 155 H+ICK = = 25 Now how to figure out the value of D+GM? Simple: Since D+ICK is 58 and H+ICK is 25, that means D = H + 33 Therefore, a Grand Master on Demigryph instead of Warhorse costs 188 points  |
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Post by thorpyuk on Dec 25, 2023 15:16:04 GMT
Hmm actually, let's explore this, from a purely mathematical and scientific perspective. D+ICK = 58 GM+H = 155 H+ICK = = 25 Now how to figure out the value of D+GM? Simple: Since D+ICK is 58 and H+ICK is 25, that means D = H + 33 Therefore, a Grand Master on Demigryph instead of Warhorse costs 188 points I like the logic, but unfortunately there's no option :/ |
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Post by vulcan on Dec 25, 2023 16:36:55 GMT
You can do just about anything in WFB with the permission of your opponent. I'd allow at least a test-play of it at 188 points to see if it's at least semi-balanced.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Dec 25, 2023 17:56:39 GMT
When compared to the Pegasus (45 points), 33 points seems too little.
Pegasus: M8 WS3 BS0 S4 T4 W3 I4 A2 Ld6 Special rule: Fly
Demigryph: M8 WS4 BS0 S5 T4 W3 I4 A3 Ld7 Special rule: Armour Piercing, Fear
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Post by colonelburton on Dec 25, 2023 18:02:05 GMT
When compared to the Pegasus (45 points), 33 points seems too little. Pegasus: M8 WS3 BS0 S4 T4 W3 I4 A2 Ld6 Special rule: Fly Demigryph: M8 WS4 BS0 S5 T4 W3 I4 A3 Ld7 Special rule: Armour Piercing, Fear Well, yes but Fly is actually very powerful don't you think? Getting behind enemy lines like that? |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Dec 25, 2023 21:59:30 GMT
Well, the Arabyan Carpet (granting the Fly special rule) costs 50 points - and clearly overcosted, since it is hardly ever taken. But let us take it at its face value.
On the other side (again taken at face value) we have something like:
- Shrieking Blade (Fear): 10 points
- Biting Blade (AP): 10 points
- Sword of Might (+1 S): 20 points.
- No immediate equivalent I could find, but +1 WS should also be 10 points.
- The Ld of mounts hardly ever comes into play, so we can ignore that.
That still means the multiple boni of a Demigryph should match the Fly special rule of the Pegasus.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Dec 25, 2023 22:17:50 GMT
Alternatively (and perhaps more appropriately) , one could point out that a GM on DG, compared with a GM on a barded WH (24 points), gains the equivalent of
- The Sword of Strife (+2 A): 40 points
- The Ogre Blade (+2 S) : 40 points. However, it is only for the A of the mount - hence, 20 points.
- The Biting Blade (AP): 10 points, but again only for the mount - hence 5 points.
- The Shrieking Blade (Fear): 10 points
I'd say a (barded) DG mount for the GM really should be in the range of 45 -55 points.
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