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Post by DiscoQing on Jan 23, 2024 10:35:27 GMT
Hi y'all,
This question came up and I thought I'd ask it here for rights to the ownership.
Bretonnian Damsels and Prophetesses have the Shield of the lady special rule.
This allows them to "retire" to the middle of a rank that isn't the 1st/2nd of a Lance formation. AT ANY TIME.
However, the base sizes do not add up mathematically.
Knights:30x60mm
Unicorns: 40x60mm
Suggesting they will need to be on the flank of the Lance, but then can buzz around the Lance bum freely afterwards?
My work around for this is to simply change the base size of the unicorn to fit within the Lance;
30x60mm or 60x60mm
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Post by TyrrenAzureblade on Jan 23, 2024 19:48:20 GMT
I think that rule is intended for a Damsel/Prophetess on a War Horse. Also a Monstrous Cavalry model is Clumsy (BBB p.191).
The rule states: A unit with this rule can only be joined by a character that also has this rule. Smaller characters are unwilling to risk being trampled.
Not sure if this applies vice versa, but might need to be FAQ'd. I think changing the base counts as 'modeling for advantage' and could be considered cheating by folks.
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Post by DiscoQing on Jan 27, 2024 11:16:15 GMT
It doesn't state that it's just for warhorse Damsels, though.
RAW, it suggests the damsel benefits from the rule.
And clumsy won't apply for the inverse, else it would be stated.
Without adjusting the base size, the rule still works.
The damsel can move at any time.
So she can be deployed on the flank, and then retire to the rear.
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Post by BretVassal on Feb 7, 2024 19:52:12 GMT
To he fair, the rule as written is for the Damsel and the Prophetess not their mount. You'd have to follow the standard rule for Monsterous Cavalry.
I don't have the rulebook to check the wording, but the Unicorn does count as monsterous cavalry, and if the tule does state, regular troops are willing to be trampled then the Unicorn itself could not join the unit. Since the character is mounted, they mount special rule would restrict a Unicorn from joining Warhorses.
Additionally, the RAW states IF. Since the Unicorn rule would prohibit them from joining a unit the Damsel rule is moot.
Basically, if you are buying a 35 point Unicorn to gain +1 wound for your Damsel, and to make her a mobile spell caster. Theoretically, she could ride 10 inches across the board and cast a spell to weakened an enemy unit so your Realm knights can shatter them. However, she can't join the unit.
Also, if you want to get SUPER techincal the actual RAW states that the Damsel/Prophetess alone has the ability to retire, ergo the mount in general doesn't benefit from the rule as it doesn't say the Damsel and her mount may retire. Now logically, shuffling one horse to the rear isn't that hard for train soldiers, so let's assume that a mounted Damsel can retire. You still can't join a cavalry unit with a monsterous cavalry model. Ergo, the Monsterous Cavalary Model would never get the benefit of this special rule.
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Post by DiscoQing on Feb 8, 2024 12:37:35 GMT
Unfortunately, your entire stance is based on the Unicorn not being able to join the unit. Which it can. Clumsy:
A unit with this rule can only be joined by a character that also has this rule.The Damsel would gain the Clumsy rule, and no one is trying to join her (at least during the battle  ). She's joining the unit, which doesn't have the Clumsy rule. |
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Post by masterofnone on Feb 13, 2024 19:14:24 GMT
Isn't there anymore a rule on how characters with different bases to the ones in a unit are allowed to join said unit? I don't have the TOW rules yet, but in previous WFB editions if a model didn't rank up then it would not be allowed to sit (ahem, stand) anywhere in the block, just outside it.
Now one could perhaps argue that the Damsel could hang at the back of the lance...
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Post by DiscoQing on Feb 14, 2024 0:17:28 GMT
Isn't there anymore a rule on how characters with different bases to the ones in a unit are allowed to join said unit? I don't have the TOW rules yet, but in previous WFB editions if a model didn't rank up then it would not be allowed to sit (ahem, stand) anywhere in the block, just outside it. Now one could perhaps argue that the Damsel could hang at the back of the lance... Yes, different size based characters are allowed to join units, and be put on the side of it. Hense my question, how would that work with the Lance formation... As the flank is now on the wedge... But the rule suggests the damsel can retire to the back at any point |
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