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Post by nasher on Mar 29, 2024 12:00:56 GMT
Yeah a fault of mine is to get aggressive, to aggressive for my own good. The trick here would have first read Rhys list, and the scenario. I was actually recovering from COVID , no I am NOT dead. So that's my excuse, and I'm sticking with it. So when your armies main body is not there, perhaps one should not deploy to close to the lines so the NECRO SPHINX doesn't have line of sight on your Mage turn one. My advice here is to be measured in ones response, gauge what is realistic not imagined. War quickly eliminates those that are delusional, war gamers who are delusional, lose. I also tried to be too smart and when on turn two my forces turned up split them with the boars and Black Orcs on my far left and the Orc Mob on the right. Probably shouldn't split your forces, not with a Necro sphinx that flies ( WTF didn't know that either, seriously you'd need the Apollo rocket to get that thing to the corner shop IMO) Yeah I know follow own advice and 'Know your enemies Troops/Rules". Cheers for that, you can now bugger off . So what did I learn, well the people who wrote these rules did a lot of play testing. My Black Orcs tried and died failing to charge a scorpion in a forest 7" away. Cause you lose -1M and take the lowest of two dice rolled to determine your roll. TIP [You get real close before you charge units into a forest folks] Now here the thing about Black Orcs, no "warband" so no rerolling charges. So Black Orcs do really well when they charge, but are less likely. The Waaagh Banner I though was over costed at 40pts, and allows a unit a further 3" to it charge range. At this moment in time I realised, that banner is well worth it's cost. If I had it, I would have likely won the game. That's how critical charges are. It also shows that the designers know this and pointed the Waaagh Banner accordingly. Once Rhys got the Black Orcs he refused my kind offer of a charge on the Orc Mob and took the win. I did manage to pop a unit of 25 skeletons in one round of combat. The Assailment Spell along with the wounds we killed 10 and had a combat resolution of 20, due to regens. So the remaining 15 popped. I should have deployed mostly deep and forced him to come to me but lessons learnt. Till next time. Game Over
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Post by nasher on Mar 29, 2024 12:05:34 GMT
Last Game vs Adam Williamson (AoS player) Errant war [1498 pts] Warhammer: The Old World, Kingdom of Bretonnia, Errantry Crusades ++ Characters [693 pts] ++ Duke [436 pts] - Lance - Heavy armour - Shield - General - Hippogryph [Barding] - Dragon Slaying Sword - Virtue of Knightly Temper Paladin [151 pts] Turn 4 - Hand weapon - Heavy armour - The Grail Vow - Battle Standard Bearer [War Banner] - Bretonnian Warhorse - Giant Blade Damsel [106 pts] - Hand weapon - Level 2 Wizard - Bretonnian Warhorse - Elementalism ++ Core Units [594 pts] ++ 6 Knights Errant [132 pts] - Hand weapons - Lances - Shields - Heavy armour - Gallant (champion) - Standard bearer - Musician 6 Knights Errant [132 pts] - Hand weapons - Lances - Shields - Heavy armour - Gallant (champion) - Standard bearer - Musician 6 Mounted Knights of the Realm [165 pts] - Hand weapons - Lances - Shields - Heavy armour - First Knight (champion) - Standard bearer - Musician 6 Mounted Knights of the Realm [165 pts] - Hand weapons - Lances - Shields - Heavy armour - First Knight (champion) - Standard bearer - Musician ++ Rare Units [211 pts] ++ 5 Grail Knights [211 pts] - Hand weapons - Lances - Shields - Heavy armour - Grail Guardian (champion) - Standard bearer - Musician
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Post by nasher on Mar 29, 2024 12:25:58 GMT
So it was a subtle force, one that trusts itself down your throat and ask you, MORE!!. Battle for the pass, not my favourite tournament scenario as it relies on both players wanting to engaging. Fortunately we were both up for a game of smack'em. So when fighting forces that can out charge you by some distance. Does one bend over and kiss ones @r$e goodbye. Not if you structure your army properly IMO. Even then it's NOT a easy task. This is where the cheap disposable 55pt wolf Boyz came in very handy. Now my Bretonnian friend had rather direct list as you can see, and two lances one grail with BSB Paladin plus priestess and a KoTR will give my Mob of Orcs a hard time. So this is where the Wolf Boys come into it. With a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a fox. I placed the wolf Boys just far enough away from the two lances that it would only likely only be hit by one. Then with any luck, only one would overrun into the Orc Mob lead by my General. One Lance I could deal with. As it turned out this part of the plan went splendidly and the Grail Knights went trough the Wolf boys like a priest in a sausage shop. Following up with an overrun into the Orc mob. My turn, the Grail Knights were flanked by another mob of wolf boys and the trap was sprung or so I though. The dashedly grail knights picked on the wolf boys, while making all his saves (the Grail Knights count as charging with an overrun). On top of that, most armour and ward blessings were successful, from every other wounding attack made by the Orcs. Even "Hammer Hand" was dispelled. So I was pushed back, and the KoTR came in for a round of combat on the following turn. Things died, dice were rolled and the Orcs won, just managing to rout the KoTR, although it was a close run thing. The picture shows the following turn where my Bretonnian friend upon rallying his KoTR decided better to not be charged so moved up on my flank and avoid that circumstance. Which in any other edition of WFB would have been fine. Unfortunately for him upon routing the Grail knight and priestess I reformed and was able to flank charge the KoTR and clean him up. It's Adam's 4th game so we're all learning.
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Post by nasher on Apr 5, 2024 11:46:10 GMT
So there are a few other minor points, no not really. The paladin BSB had the Giant Blade and did wound my Lord Boss once, a second time would have killed him as it does two wounds per successful wound. The battles can be very swinging like a Sydney Mardi Gras, and I find even if you roll terrible dice so long as you have support nearby, don't break. You are in with a shot, and in that respect the game is very forgiving. Doubly so for ranked infantry. Something to consider. This is why I like my cheap orcs, they give you the value in numbers that Black Orcs can't. Which is why when I watch some You Tuber say units like Orc Mobs and Orc Boar Boys are lousy, one should take it with a large dose of salt. Maybe a shovel load. Here's the thing, while you may agree or disagree, in the end you'll find what troops works with your play style. Within your play group and meta. I will contend that why you find what works for you, is because, you have a plan on how to use it. That's more important then anything IMO. Like I've said before, any vanilla unit on it's own is pretty meh. Work it in conjunction with other units, have a plan, support it by any other means, and you might just have a win. Just saying
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nasher
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Post by nasher on Apr 5, 2024 11:54:19 GMT
So next up is another game vs my favourite Chris Hu who you can watch here on Cognition fatigue. Orcs and Goblins vs Dark Elves. A soft dark elf list with only two Hydras apparently. I wonder how that went, as you see , actual goblins not Night Goblins. Wolf Chariots, Arrow boys, wolf riders and two count them TWO snotlings pump wagons. Surly I am doomed.
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Post by nasher on Apr 7, 2024 15:12:08 GMT
Did I mention I brought Pawpaw along. Do hydras taste like chicken 🐔 😋 🤔
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Post by nasher on Apr 11, 2024 7:04:49 GMT
So my next foray in the wild, or in this case the Chris Hu abode. Where we found that Hydras do indeed taste like chicken. Now everyone is going to show you how good lists work, but that's kind of ho hum. Hi ho, hi ho, it's off with dwarfs to slay hi ho today. well tonight actually and I'm not certain it's dwarfs either as he never, cunningly, tells me what army he's playing next. So today he doesn't know what coming and it's a whole lotta goblin love. Goblins do taste like chicken as well by the way. Just saying. . So what may be considered a weak list by many I consider to be a strong one. We shall see huh. I'll post back later. === Goblin Khan II [1999 pts] Warhammer: The Old World, Orc & Goblin Tribes === ++ Characters [686 pts] ++ Goblin Warboss [143 pts] - Hand weapon - Light armour - General - On foot - Da Choppiest Choppa - Trollhide Trousers - Charmed Shield Goblin Bigboss [92 pts] - Hand weapon - Great weapon - Wolf Chariot Goblin Bigboss [92 pts] - Hand weapon - Great weapon - Wolf Chariot Goblin Bigboss [92 pts] - Hand weapon - Great weapon - Wolf Chariot Night Goblin Oddnob [160 pts] - Hand weapon - Level 4 Wizard - On foot - Illusion Goblin Warboss [107 pts] - Hand weapon - Cavalry spear (if appropriately mounted) - Light armour - Shield - Giant Wolf - Giant Blade ++ Core Units [778 pts] ++ 33 Goblin Mob [199 pts] - Hand weapons - Shields - Light armour - Boss (champion) - Standard bearer [The Big Red Raggedy Flag] - Musician 32 Goblin Mob [165 pts] - Hand weapons - Thrusting spears - Shields - 2x Nasty Skulkers - Boss (champion) - Standard bearer - Musician 32 Goblin Mob [165 pts] - Hand weapons - Thrusting spears - Shields - 2x Nasty Skulkers - Boss (champion) - Standard bearer - Musician 11 Goblin Wolf Rider Mob [169 pts] - Hand weapons - Shields - Cavalry spears - Light armour - Reserve Move (0-1 unit per 1,000 points may) - Boss (champion) - Standard bearer [Guff's Windy Banner] - Musician 10 Goblin Mob [40 pts] - Hand weapons - Shortbows - Skirmishers (0-1 unit per 1,000 points) 10 Goblin Mob [40 pts] - Hand weapons - Shortbows - Skirmishers (0-1 unit per 1,000 points) ++ Special Units [135 pts] ++ Goblin Bolt Throwa [45 pts] Goblin Bolt Throwa [45 pts] Goblin Bolt Throwa [45 pts] ++ Rare Units [400 pts] ++ Giant [200 pts] - Giant's club - Light armour Giant [200 pts] - Giant's club - Light armour
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Post by nasher on Apr 11, 2024 17:50:54 GMT
We ended up playing Dwarfs and it was a good game which we didn't finish. We got to turn 5. The game was hanging in the air I believe the dwarfs were up 100pts give or take. I had a few charges lined up, but alas we'll never know. So numbers do matter, It worked out that when you beat someone and outnumber them, it's really good, for you anyway. The other thing is to give your units space to move and charge. So there is a learning curve there when working with other units. That was my biggest take as when you combine giants with numbers, ranks, standards, it usually will rout an opponent. Also 3 goblin chariots are OK, but put a big boss in each of them and "whoa baby". Fry Pan in action (he died the following turn and "timbered" on the Dwarfs) . The little lady belly flop on the other unit was spectacular, to say the least. They would have routed those two dwarf units if supported with goblins, in combat. As you can see the goblins had issues getting into combat as the gap was to small. Chris had virtually blocked off half the table with the village. So with big units comes the difficulty of being able to manoeuvre, that's one of the draw backs anyway. Have to give your units space. The goblin skirmishes were meh as were the bolt throwers. I can see where they will be good, just hasn't happened yet. Magic made no difference, I took illusion, completely failed to cast the Crystal vortex every time by one LOL. So as I said it's a game of dice and the best laid plans can go astray. Not to mention your opponent can stuff you up on occasions. Just saying . Itchy nuisance was cast a few times, but as the giant wounded on 2 regardless, the spell pretty much useless. Now as you see here the Goblin unit on the left had just beaten the Iron breakers in combat and would have routed them if not for stubborn. Something to remember folks, stubborn. In his turn he charged me. Now with hind sight, I should have fled with the Goblins and freed up my generals unit in the centre. What happened though was again the unexpected. The thunderers were given a flank charge. The iron breakers went in to the front. By the end of combat, the goblins lost, and fell FBIGO-both dwarf units were the same size. The result had the goblins pushed diagonally into my generals unit front. Blocking him from doing anything. The frypan then also just lost and was pushed back 2" which blocked the other goblin unit from getting in as well. There are word for this sort of thing which I shall not mention. I did cry into my soup, just a bit. It was a good game otherwise you can listen watch on Chris channel at some point in the near future if you wish. Cognition fatigue. It's late I may write up some more thoughts later.
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Post by nasher on Apr 11, 2024 17:53:40 GMT
Last position end of my turn 5. Chris had to go to sleep, sleep is for the weak I said.
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Post by nasher on Apr 12, 2024 9:01:33 GMT
So the FAQ has come out which is a pleasant surprise. GW has not a good reputation on delivering prompt or concise updates. Certainly not when I was playing. The drill mechanic was an obvious one, as the owner of Warhammer Ancients book, from which many rules have been taken . You could see the intent was drilled troops could reform and charge. It's going to make my dwarf army able to march up into your face, and rip it off. Certainly Chaos chosen knights will. This is where you'll need your vanguards and chaff to take the pressure off you. Things like spacing and crowding will come only with experience IMO. So plan well.
"Sir we are about to be slaughtered by the Chosen of Chaos".
"Well squire throw some peasants at them, while we deal with the rest of the army"
At this point I've pretty much come to the end of our chats. All you'll get is repeats of repeated advise as far as I can see. Not that I won't come back with some sterling advice, really, be nice to your mother. Or a battle report to cheer you up on a rain soaked day. Hi England, not that it rains much here in the land down under.
So go and have some games, you don't need to be here anymore.
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Post by nasher on Apr 25, 2024 23:56:44 GMT
Ahh yes Chris has posted the latest battle, Goblins vs Dwarfs where Chris wins by cunningly going to bed at the end of turn 5. I shall have my revengy at some point. Alas I am having a game with the Ogres Big Game Hunters tomorrow and will post about how things go. It'll be on the Ogre tactics. Just pics and words of wisdom, "hahahahaha". Ahh you laugh now grasshopper, but wait and see. huh!.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Apr 30, 2024 4:55:14 GMT
Ahh yes Chris has posted the latest battle, Goblins vs Dwarfs where Chris wins by cunningly going to bed at the end of turn 5. I shall have my revengy at some point. Alas I am having a game with the Ogres Big Game Hunters tomorrow and will post about how things go. It'll be on the Ogre tactics. Just pics and words of wisdom, "hahahahaha". Ahh you laugh now grasshopper, but wait and see. huh!. So a 'too close to call' in the end, as game didn't go the full length? That's a lot of goblins.
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Post by nasher on May 2, 2024 16:05:37 GMT
An observation. One can take an army designed to win, and post about obvious glorious victory. Or take something lacklustre and dare to win with the unexpected.
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