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WYSIWYG
Feb 22, 2017 0:57:14 GMT
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Post by roughtimes on Feb 22, 2017 0:57:14 GMT
For me I guess WYSIWYG is kind of the point of it all... Of course there are degrees of WYSIWYG fundamentalism and I tend to think of magic items pretty much as abstractions, for example. I also rather play small games with everything painted than large games with unpainted units. I subscribe to the same idea for magic items. Why can't a magic sword be represented by an ax on a model I like? Seems to be in the spirit of the game.
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Post by Naitsabes on Feb 22, 2017 3:20:30 GMT
I would suggest setting impossibly high standards for yourself and work you darn hardest to meet them. Then not impose the same standards on the other guy. For extra karma credit, apply this to life beyond warhammer as well.
EDIT: admittedly, the 'poking with stick' approach to basecoating has its charm
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Post by grandmasterwang on Feb 22, 2017 5:08:41 GMT
For me I guess WYSIWYG is kind of the point of it all... Of course there are degrees of WYSIWYG fundamentalism and I tend to think of magic items pretty much as abstractions, for example. I also rather play small games with everything painted than large games with unpainted units. I subscribe to the same idea for magic items. Why can't a magic sword be represented by an ax on a model I like? Seems to be in the spirit of the game. I refuse to play anyone who has not painted their entire army to at least Golden Daemon Gold standard. If they haven't won at least 1 Slayer Sword they can shove it!! In all seriousness regarding magic items I see an axe or sword or any hand weapon as being completely interchangeable. Likes for like and I'm fine. Where there is an issue is if it's visually confusing, say a high elf modelled with a small sword but in game it's a 'Starlance'. Something like that I would look at, see the sword then never remember it was a magic Lance. Same in reverse, a model armed visually with a long Lance or spear I would have an issue with accepting it as fielding a magic sword/shield combo. So long as it makes visual sense I'm 100% fine with it. The way we play our characters once they are named and weave their story on the battlefield don't change their load out from game to game so it's easy to remember what everyone is armed with.
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Post by roughtimes on Feb 22, 2017 14:36:48 GMT
I subscribe to the same idea for magic items. Why can't a magic sword be represented by an ax on a model I like? Seems to be in the spirit of the game. I refuse to play anyone who has not painted their entire army to at least Golden Daemon Gold standard. If they haven't won at least 1 Slayer Sword they can shove it!! That's fair. In all seriousness regarding magic items I see an axe or sword or any hand weapon as being completely interchangeable. Likes for like and I'm fine. Where there is an issue is if it's visually confusing, say a high elf modelled with a small sword but in game it's a 'Starlance'. Something like that I would look at, see the sword then never remember it was a magic Lance. Same in reverse, a model armed visually with a long Lance or spear I would have an issue with accepting it as fielding a magic sword/shield combo. So long as it makes visual sense I'm 100% fine with it. The way we play our characters once they are named and weave their story on the battlefield don't change their load out from game to game so it's easy to remember what everyone is armed with. That's a reasonable approach. I still like the idea that the magic item ability is the important part and it can look different. The crown of command could be a helm or pendant or whatever in my WFB. I'm okay with breaking from the confines of GW's structure. Most people here seem to be okay with house rules or new/updated army list entries. Why not more flexibility with magic items. But I can't fault you for your opinion. It's not a bad policy.
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Post by mahbruck on Feb 22, 2017 16:40:35 GMT
I think the original point here has digressed from WYSIWYG, to painted or unpainted, and then to Golden Demon level or just garden variety 😔
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Post by Horace on Feb 23, 2017 9:39:07 GMT
I must say, although I have no qualms around weapon options in WYSIWYG I am not a great lover of proxies. Sensible permanent proxies are fine, for example using the old Reiksguard Foot Knights as Greatswords, I use Kemmler as my generic Necromancer model just because I prefer it etc. Using completely different things as stand ins for models you don't have I don't really like. I also don't really love it if a load of unpainted models show up, at least put a splash of paint on them even if it is a most basic base coat!
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Post by frozenfood on Feb 23, 2017 9:59:41 GMT
We once used a giant spider on an Arachnarock base as a proxy. It was fun to see an A-rock in action and it was obvious that he was not a tiny spider. We once used a weird big cilinder shaped creature as a giant...I didn't like that. It's like using a Lego dragon figurine. I understand what it is, it is WYSIWYG but I prefer the Warhammer feel over correct representation. I don't have sabretusks but I use the panters from a boardgame that has the same miniature sizes. That would be better than a sabretusk plushy.
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Feb 23, 2017 16:32:47 GMT
using the old Reiksguard Foot Knights as Greatswords Approved. Cordially, Marvin Hammerstands III Chancellor The Department of Alcohol, Proxies & Fireworks
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Feb 23, 2017 16:33:25 GMT
I don't have sabretusks but I use the panters from a boardgame that has the same miniature sizes. Approved. Cordially, Marvin Hammerstands III Chancellor The Department of Alcohol, Proxies & Fireworks
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Feb 23, 2017 16:35:22 GMT
I use Kemmler as my generic Necromancer model just because I prefer it etc. Approved. Cordially, Marvin Hammerstands III Chancellor The Department of Alcohol, Proxies & Fireworks
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WYSIWYG
Feb 23, 2017 18:09:58 GMT
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Post by roughtimes on Feb 23, 2017 18:09:58 GMT
I must say, although I have no qualms around weapon options in WYSIWYG I am not a great lover of proxies. Sensible permanent proxies are fine, for example using the old Reiksguard Foot Knights as Greatswords, I use Kemmler as my generic Necromancer model just because I prefer it etc. Using completely different things as stand ins for models you don't have I don't really like. I also don't really love it if a load of unpainted models show up, at least put a splash of paint on them even if it is a most basic base coat! Permanent proxies. I like that.
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Post by mahbruck on Feb 23, 2017 19:09:18 GMT
I must say, although I have no qualms around weapon options in WYSIWYG I am not a great lover of proxies. Sensible permanent proxies are fine, for example using the old Reiksguard Foot Knights as Greatswords, I use Kemmler as my generic Necromancer model just because I prefer it etc. Using completely different things as stand ins for models you don't have I don't really like. I also don't really love it if a load of unpainted models show up, at least put a splash of paint on them even if it is a most basic base coat! I don't think anyone has problem with Foot Reiksguards as Greatswords (I am for one actually ecstatic to play against the Empire's original bodyguards). The same applies with many named characters who can go vanilla for their respective profession. I'm fine (and actually doing it myself) if Tyrion model, for example, represent another Elven Prince/Noble on Elven Steed, but if he is used as an Elven Mage on Horse, that's pretty stretching it. Pikemen can be used as spearmen, Lothern seaguards can be interchangeable with Spearelves, but if you say this block of spear as White Lions with Banner of World Dragon, then only Golden Demon level of painting can pique my attention . I once tolerated some mate using a Chaos Spawn as empire cannon and the outcome still hurts me until these days!
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WYSIWYG
Feb 24, 2017 3:32:00 GMT
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Post by Anaris on Feb 24, 2017 3:32:00 GMT
I once tolerated some mate using a Chaos Spawn as empire cannon and the outcome still hurts me until these days! Uhh no....... Lol
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Post by mahbruck on Mar 2, 2017 17:11:12 GMT
I think with all the new versatile plastic kits, the problem of WYSIWYG, especially concerning characters, should be reduced to minimum by the use of magnets. Here are my highly swappable Prince and BSB:
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Mar 2, 2017 17:44:36 GMT
WICKED GOOD PAINT
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