deuca
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Post by deuca on Apr 15, 2024 17:21:17 GMT
Hello Team,
I hope all of you are doing well.
We came across a little discussion in my local hobby club the other day about the indomitable (and respectively the infernal favour) rules. The wording indicates that you use the highest value in the unit but its only stated to do so, if you have two or more models with the same rule. No word about a unit or a character with indomitable transfers it to a unit that does not.
In earlier editions, a similar rule was clarified, that you will transfer the rule (the highest value) to a unit, that does not have the rule. Meaning, you could put a model with, let's say magical resistance(1) in a unit without it and the whole unit would get the magical resistance(1) rule. It works likewise so I use it as an example.
In The Old World ruleset, this paragraph is missing for the rules above, witch indicates that the rules are not transferred to the unit or to a single model who joined a unit if not both have this rule in the first place.
Edit: Old World Magic Resistance (while mechanically likewise) is clear(er) - because it says, that "...targets a unit that incluses one ore more models with this special rule...)
I hope my confusion is written understandably and that you guys can clarify the rules very soon.
Cheers!
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Post by thegoat on Apr 22, 2024 14:41:19 GMT
I think it is clear a unit without indomitable joined by a character with indomitable, benefits from the character's indomitable.
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deuca
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Post by deuca on Apr 23, 2024 10:55:17 GMT
But why should it be that way (other than: "they mean this")? - the rule dosn´t say anything in that regard. In addition the rule speaks of the higher value when two or more models have the rule, not that one model transfers the rule to a unit that does not. Even the example give is about two units with that rule.
So unless I have not seen a paragraph (read English and German version) it seems not that clear
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Post by thegoat on Apr 23, 2024 12:39:16 GMT
I think it is as simple as: The character with indomitable is in the combat, so his indomitable rule is used when calculating and applying the combat result.
It is not that the unit gains the indomitable rule. Just when adding/subtracting all the modifiers for combat resolution, the character's indomitable is one of the things that is applied.
Consider a Bretonnian character with Virtue of Duty. That would work the same way. If the character joins a unit, the virtue would affect combats the unit is involved in. But the unit never gains the Virtue of Duty rule.
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deuca
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Post by deuca on Apr 24, 2024 7:35:12 GMT
I need to disagree with your example. The Virtue reads clearly "Unless the General is removed from play..." No additional special rules to consider and no space for interpreting here. In the Indomitable rule however, we read about multiple units that need to have the special rule in the first place. The problem is (in addition to everything above), that the Unstable rule tells us to allocate wounds when calculating the combat result. First to the normal models, then to the characters - when we do so the Indomitable works for the Characters because they are tough as nails. I would say, I understand what you mean and I really think, that the rule is meant to be the way you discribe it, but it simply isn´t clear. I already wrote to the faq Team so maybe we will get clarification in the future
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