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Post by Horace on Jun 22, 2017 8:05:14 GMT
I'm not too bothered either way regarding the 25%/50% Lords. I think it should probably have been a bit higher anyway than the original 25%, which prohibited a lot of characters/monsters from all but the largest games. If someone has taken the time and effort to paint up a dragon etc they should be able to plop it down on the table.
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Post by mahbruck on Jun 22, 2017 10:36:06 GMT
You guys should know, it was entirely tournament legal for Dogs of War players during the 6th edition to field 60% of the points being "Lords"/Heroes in 1000 pts game. I didn't go so low a route but I did love to field Asarnil in 1500 pts tourneys just for the nerdrage  |
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Post by mottdon on Jun 22, 2017 13:42:39 GMT
I actually like the 50% Lords/Heroes option as well. I usually don't fill the 25% cap, but occasionally, if I want to take, say, an Empire flying circus army - which would require a Griffon and several Pegasus Captains, then I might go over that cap just a bit. I like having the option.
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Post by frozenfood on Jun 22, 2017 18:20:52 GMT
I wouldn't mind but aren't we going towards herohammer then?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 18:44:52 GMT
That about sums up why I don't like the 50% Lords. While it's cool to every now and then use that Chaos Lord on Dragon, it quickly become the entire army and that is more the realm of AoS than WFB.
Plus cannons exist. Puts a damper on a lot of those kinds of heroes. (not complaining, cannons are needed in the game as much as I hate being on their receiving end)
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Post by mottdon on Jun 22, 2017 18:57:25 GMT
I think the Cannons are the ONLY thing keeping the game from moving to HeroHammer. And, for me, there's something nice about having some reservations about just blindly charging forward. There needs to be a threat to that 500 point model. Otherwise, yes, it just becomes who can bring the biggest baddest Nagash.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jun 23, 2017 1:44:13 GMT
250 points is not an oversight. Was he playing bretonnians or beastmen and thought it was like in tournaments? Or was he a douche? Oh it was definitely delibetate so the second answer applies . I was only in the store to grab some paint and left as they started arguing about it as the lower points player clued in that he was being duped. I often play games with my friends where we match points exactly but completely ignore the army composition rules. These have always been great fun but we aren't playing competitively and instead to tell a story while we both try to win but play in character with our armies. If someone wants to go 15- 20 points over our general response is to give the other player a reroll (15 point rune). |
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Post by mottdon on Jun 23, 2017 13:19:39 GMT
I like that 15 point rule. Makes it simple and doesn't deny the other player those 15 points they were obviously depending on.
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Post by gregwarhamsters on Jun 24, 2017 8:58:45 GMT
I still think that if people go over points you should hit them with a stick.
Greg
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Post by frozenfood on Jun 24, 2017 9:21:00 GMT
I actually fight against sticks a lot so that plan might backfire  |
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Post by dannytee on Jul 1, 2017 23:56:37 GMT
My personal opinion is that when you agree to a fixed sized battle with your opponent that it is critical that your list not go over this point value. Not even by a single point. 2,000 points means just that and 2,001 is not ok because where does it end? Part of list building is to tweak things around to fit within the box.
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Post by hiportes on Jul 20, 2017 21:17:26 GMT
I am in the "not a point over" group. I enjoy that it forces people to play within the bounds. If someone has an army that goes over we can always do a "hey, let's play 2500 instead of 2000, or play that next time!" and that works well.
That is also why I am not a fan of the 50% Lords/Heroes rule, the 25% urged more constraints and creativity within the bounds. I will admit that seeing big characters running around the board is fun though, but I liked that more decisions had to be made prior to the 50% rule. I also prefer the massed armies than the couple of low-model, huge point sinks that seem to pop up more (just personal preference).
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Post by gregwarhamsters on Jul 20, 2017 23:51:50 GMT
Games can be played with whatever limit you like, looks like the going over is frowned upon and there's much debate about the 50% Lords/Hero's rule.
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