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Post by strutsagget on Sept 10, 2017 14:04:27 GMT
So lets say I have a chaos champion bsb on deamonic stead in a chalange against a orc block with some characters. Champion, shaman level 4 and bsb.
I issue a challange and my opponent accept with his lowest cost unit as he think he will loose; an orc champion.
My chaos champion do more wounds then needed to kill but not enough to fill all 5 overkill slots.
What happens to the mounta attack and stomp? Are they all lost or can I roll them to see if I can maximize the overkill?
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Post by strutsagget on Sept 10, 2017 14:08:55 GMT
Follow up question.
If he refuses the challange will it only be one character that is moved out of reach or all viable characters as no one picked up the challange? Or do I choose the coward?
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Post by strutsagget on Sept 10, 2017 14:15:37 GMT
After reading the rules again.
My interpretation is that those over kill wounds are lost and the mount do not fight that turn. And on second question I choose who need to hide.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Sept 10, 2017 14:39:55 GMT
You are correct. If the opponent in the challenge is dead, any later attacks are lost, including Stomp. - BRB p. 103: If the opponent is slain before all of a model's attacks are made (because a competitor and his mount strike at different Initiative steps, for example) then any excess Attacks are lost and cannot be directed against other models.
BRB Official Update Version 1.9, p. 11:
Q: If a model with a Breath Weapon, Stomp or Thunderstomp is in a challenge, can these attacks hit models not in the challenge?(p102)
A: No.
You choose any character able to accept the challenge, excluding champions. - BRB p. 102: This character is nominated by the challenger -though he may not nominate a character that could not have accepted the challenge, or a unit champion — champions can accept challenges, they do not have to
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Post by frozenfood on Sept 10, 2017 16:20:37 GMT
I did this to an orc on wyvern. He killed my skaven champion and two engineers. I was steadfast and my general was nearby. His wyvern never got to fight. He was furious  |
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Post by mottdon on Sept 11, 2017 13:42:25 GMT
Dirty, stinkin' rats.
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Post by ct1406 on Oct 25, 2023 13:32:44 GMT
I know this is a really old thread but hopefully someone can answer me.
If a character on a mount refuses a challenge all their attacks are lost. Does that include the mount as well?
My argument was that most, if not all, rules will affect the character only and not the mount so why would this one rule be different?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Oct 25, 2023 13:48:23 GMT
The mount cannot attack, if only for the simple reason that the character has to be moved to the back ranks out of base contact - and the mount with him.
BRB p. 102: "The retiring character slinks off to the back ranks and is not allowed to attack that round - move the model into a rank where he's not in base contact with the enemy."
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Post by conjoy on Oct 27, 2023 16:18:27 GMT
To be clear, a character on a monster cannot refuse, because he cannot be placed in a back rank out of b2b with enemies.
This is clarified in the papragrapgh titled "Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide".
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Post by Horace on Oct 27, 2023 17:50:46 GMT
The mount losing their attacks in challenges is one of the worst rules in 8th edition unfortunately
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Oct 27, 2023 21:07:43 GMT
Horace: Mounts do not lose attacks as such - both rider and mount will lose any attacks that would be executed, after their opponent is slain, but, of course, a mount is more likely to such attacks (with lower Initiative) than the rider.
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