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Post by Naitsabes on Apr 6, 2018 20:46:40 GMT
lots of pretty miniatures! Good to see you guys are having fun and there is some back and forth.
Having some terrain is the next frontier for you. That will change things up a little.
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Post by redknight on Apr 7, 2018 13:44:44 GMT
Thanks guys,
I’m trying my best to keep things clear so you can easily follow what happened. It was indeed very satisfying to get my revenge after the massive defeat I had suffered the day before.
About the models, both armies are really beautiful, in different ways. They were not painted by me though, I only paint characters most of the time. I rarely have the patience to do entire units. But this might change soon as I just bought 40 grave guards that will need painting before they can join the undead army !
I will keep you all updated on that for sure !
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Post by gregwarhamsters on Apr 8, 2018 22:51:26 GMT
...throw a solo Lord into a combat that also has a big block of VC fodder involved (skeleton warriors, zombies etc.) - the infantry will get slaughtered, and your lord is unlikely to kill enough to turn the combat around - he then crumbles on combat resolution. Even if your infantry block is big enough to be steadfast, your lord can still die easily if he's not part of a unit. I cannot echo this sentiment enough. Basically anything that will die easily will be targeted by your opponent you may feel that flanking the large unit gets you +1 (flank) disrupts your opponent (say +3 rank bonus) but if he kills 4+ of the cheap as chips guys suddenly you're losing your expensive stuff. Just a thought on your spirit host. I've always run with two rather than the one. With the exception of magic weapons I feel the 8th rules allowing reforms negate the good work redirectors do. A single base can get run over, die to CR and my opponent reforms ready to receive my charge, usually head on. If I take two I can lost +1 to the charge, banner +1 +3 ranks, +1 flank even have a BSB in there +1 = +7 and the host survives. Something to bear in mind. Greg
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Post by knoffles on Apr 9, 2018 19:53:23 GMT
Love the themed undead army. The pristine shields on them work really well. I enjoyed the reports too!
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Apr 15, 2018 2:49:46 GMT
lots of pretty miniatures! Good to see you guys are having fun and there is some back and forth. Having some terrain is the next frontier for you. That will change things up a little. Ive looked this so many times and just noticed that there’s no terrain.
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Post by redknight on Apr 16, 2018 4:27:48 GMT
lots of pretty miniatures! Good to see you guys are having fun and there is some back and forth. Having some terrain is the next frontier for you. That will change things up a little. Ive looked this so many times and just noticed that there’s no terrain. AHAHAH ! It's the desert guys ! The problem is that my friend doesn't have a lot of terrains. As well he is a beginner so we decided to play without it. Next time I promise you will have a lot of terrain everywhere
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Post by sedge on Apr 16, 2018 11:51:33 GMT
If that's a mat you're playing on, all you need is an old-fashioned "spare army book under the mat" hill and Pillar of Kokh-a-Kholer, and you're done.
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Post by mottdon on Apr 16, 2018 15:25:50 GMT
Hey, I'm pretty sure Brets prefer an open field of battle to keep their charge lanes clear!
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Post by redknight on Apr 28, 2018 8:52:20 GMT
Alright guys, here's another one. A great battle, but one that I almost decided not to share. It was the most frustrating game I ever had so far. I played Bretonnians, versus Dark Elves. Things were going GREAT for me all along and I was pretty sure I had the victory in my grasp, until... That awful moment when my lvl 4 prophetess got a miscast on 2 DICE, then went for a free one way trip right into the warp and killed the two third of a full lance of knights in the process. I basically lost that game on a 2 dice miscast, and even after a few days, it still hurts. Overall I would say I took it very well, and even after the disastrous event, the last rounds were VERY tight and it ended up being an incredibly close game. I got very impressed by how well the knights fought against the executionners, and my lord on Pegasus did an amazing job, single handedly killing dark riders, harpies, and standing up against a full unit of 20 executionners all alone. He killed many of them before eventually falling under their repeated blows. I will definitely keep this guy as my main lord for Bretonnia. The Lady really looked after me for the whole game, helping me saving countless knights, but in the end it was not enough. I guess I'll have to pray a little bit more next time. I won't go into much more detail, but let's have a look at the photos so you can get an idea of what I'm talking about:
Classic deployment with Knights of the realm, Bretonnian lord and knights Errants in the center. Bowmen on the right flank and Pegasus knights on the left.
The Dark elves moved their cavalry forward to try to slow down the knights of the Lady and get as many shots as possible with their war machines.
My Pegasus knights got in a good spot early on, ready to charge the war machine. In the center, the Dark Elves light cavalry tried to block the knights of the realm, but my Lord quickly charged in and cut their heads off.Here's the full might of the Bretonnian knights, going with a well coordinated triple charge. After destroying the warmachine, the Pegasus knights got the flank charge on the Witch Elves, while the knights errants and knights of the realm got the charges in the front. I kept a lance in the back (with my lvl 4 prophetess inside) to counter a possible flank charge of the executionners. On the right, my lord was dealing with the harpies. At that point, I was in a very strong position.But the dice gods decided to be rude. Here's the situation after the miscast. I lost my prophetess and nearly a full lance of knights. The witch elves fled and the Pegasus knights pursued them but the dreadspears and executionners charged in to keep the fight going. My Lord, being very courageous, led by example and went to deal with the other unit of executionners alone, with his sword and faith as only weapons.
The dreadspears got rid of the knights errant but were unable to get the flank charge on the knights of the realm because of bad positioning. The battle was raging, every knight fighting with honor until the end.The Pegasus knights did their best to come to the rescue of their Lord, but they arrived too late and he died before their eyes. The knights of the realm eventually destroyed the executionners in the middle and the Pegasus knights finished off the executionners on the right, getting vengeance for their beloved commander. But it was not enough. On turn 6, my opponent got a few successful spells off that wiped the remaining knights in the 2 units I had left, giving him the upper hand at the victory points count.
A new victory for the Dark Elves, but the knights fought bravely and they will be remembered. For the Lady !
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Post by gregwarhamsters on Apr 30, 2018 21:15:04 GMT
Love the themed undead army. The pristine shields on them Slightly off topic - but on the undead theme Very well painted models, the idea was that they were mercenaries and were killed whilst using looted equipment. Sure I get the idea of conversions etc but I don't get why a merc would wear a jesters hat? I've done a regimented VC army before, actually went off of it, my next one will have random weapons and shields but no where near as converted as these (or painted as well) What do you think? Can an army be too themed? Greg
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Post by redknight on May 1, 2018 0:41:56 GMT
Love the themed undead army. The pristine shields on them Slightly off topic - but on the undead theme Very well painted models, the idea was that they were mercenaries and were killed whilst using looted equipment. Sure I get the idea of conversions etc but I don't get why a merc would wear a jesters hat? I've done a regimented VC army before, actually went off of it, my next one will have random weapons and shields but no where near as converted as these (or painted as well) What do you think? Can an army be too themed? Greg These models are looking good, but you're right that sometimes too much conversion might kill it. They make me think about the zombies pirates of the vampire cost in some ways. That is a pretty awesome army for conversions !
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Post by redknight on Jun 3, 2018 12:36:52 GMT
Hi everyone, It has been a while since I posted a batrep, so there we go with a 2500pts battle. Undeads are back to face some Chaos this time ! My friend tried a new Tzeentch themed army list lead by Galrauch the two headed dragon. Blood was spilled, people died, it was fun ! I played my grave guards in a block of 30 with a wight king BSB and another regular wight king to give them some more punch. Regarding my black knights, I chose to add a mounted vampire in the unit to lead them to battle.We deployed in a pretty standard way with hordes in the center and cavalry on the flanks. Horde of skellies with a vampire lord for me with ghouls, black knights, black coach etc... Horde of Tzeentch chaos warriors for my mate with chaos knights, chaos ogres, and a nasty Galrauch dragon.I got turn 1 and moved everything forward as vampires do when they are hungry for blood. My dogs got the charges on the chaos hounds just after the vanguard moves. I then successfully cast a danse macabre which allowed me to move 8 extra inches. At the end of my first turn, I was right under the nose of the chaos warriors.On chaos turn 1, my opponent charged the ghouls with his chaos ogres, then charged the horde of skellies with the chaos warriors, and finally moved his Galrauch in position for a breath weapon attack on the grave guards and black knights. In the magic phase, a nasty spell killed a bunch of grave guards. A strong turn 1 for the chaos warriors.In my turn 2 the black coach came to support the ghouls and we managed to destroy the chaos ogres. The situation on the right flank was looking good.In the center, I charged the dragon because I did not want to charge the chaos knights through the forest. I learned pretty quick that it was a big mistake, as the chaos knights got my flank and wiped me away. At the same time, the horde of chaos warriors killed all my skellies, including my vampire lord. Luckily, My lvl 4 necromancer took over and I did not crumble too much. At this point, I was sure that the game was lost.But then I got the grave guards in combat with the chaos knights, clipping Galrauch at the same time. They did amazingly well (as they always do), and they allowed me to gain just enough time for my black coach to charge the rear of the dragon. I managed to make Galrauch flee through the block of chaos warriors in the back. Chaos warriors panicked and fled as well.I did not manage to catch them right away, but they took a double charge just after their reform. Even though the Chaos spawn got my lvl 4, I avoided crumbling one more time with good rolls. Chaos warriors lost combat and fled again. This time, I caught them, and the game was over.
An unexpected victory for the Vampire Counts ! Thanks to the grave guards, and the black coach, which both did incredibly well ! A very close game, and a lot of fun.
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Post by sedge on Jun 3, 2018 20:39:24 GMT
Good report - you may have got lucky in places, but perseverance paid off. It's not often a VC army survives losing two level 4s.
The vampire in the Black Knights was an odd choice. I know there's the "Black Knight Bus" tactic which stuffs a column of them with characters, but a lone vamp is unusual, since it loses you the spectral steeds rule. If you'd had a tooled-up Wight King in there instead, you could have safely charged the Chaos Knights through the forest and probably routed them.
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Post by redknight on Jun 3, 2018 23:43:48 GMT
Good report - you may have got lucky in places, but perseverance paid off. It's not often a VC army survives losing two level 4s. The vampire in the Black Knights was an odd choice. I know there's the "Black Knight Bus" tactic which stuffs a column of them with characters, but a lone vamp is unusual, since it loses you the spectral steeds rule. If you'd had a tooled-up Wight King in there instead, you could have safely charged the Chaos Knights through the forest and probably routed them. You are definetly right ! I learned my lesson. Honestly I just chose vampire because it is a new model and I wanted him to see battle Won’t make the same mistake next time though...
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Post by mottdon on Jun 4, 2018 13:50:46 GMT
Awesome report! Loved reading it (especially when Chaos loses! ) Black Coach for the WIN! That thing is awesome! I'm impressed that you restrained from bringing the obligatory Terrorgheist!
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