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Post by tunacells on Jul 2, 2020 14:17:14 GMT
Hey guys, new to the forum, Warhammer Fantasy and Elves as well 😅
Could I have your opinion on this 2000pts list?
It's supposed to be both casual and competitive, I love the models in it so wouldn't want ro change much, maybe the items or banners load. Any suggestion is welcome!
Here it is:
++ Standard (Dark Elves - Army Book (2013-10) -V8.8.0.) [2,000pts] ++
+ Uncategorised +
- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points)
+ Lords +
Dreadlord [250pts]: Additional Hand Weapon, Heavy Armor, Repeater Handbow, Sea Dragon Cloak, Shield
. Magic Items: BRB - Ogre Blade, BRB - Talisman of Preservation
Supreme Sorceress [245pts]: Lore of Dark Magic, Wizard Level 4
. Magic Items: BRB - Dispel Scroll
+ Heroes +
Death Hag [355pts]: Battle Standard Bearer, BRB - Spellthieving Sword, Witchbrew
. Cauldron of Blood
+ Core +
Dark Riders [130pts]: Herald, Musician, Standard bearer
. 5x Dark Riders: 5x Repeater Crossbows, 5x Shield
Darkshards [160pts]: Guardmaster, Musician, Standard bearer
. 10x Darkshards: 10x Shield
Witch Elves [295pts]: 20x Witch Elves
. Hag
. Musician
. Standard Bearer: BRB - Razor Standard
+ Special +
Black Guard of Naggarond [180pts]: 10x Black Guard of Naggarond, Musician, Standard bearer, Tower Master
Reaper Bolt Thrower [70pts]
War Hydra [180pts]: Fiery Breath
+ Rare +
Doomfire Warlocks [135pts]: 5x Doomfire Warlocks, Master of Warlocks
++ Total: [2,000pts] ++
Thank you!!
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jul 3, 2020 5:58:43 GMT
Welcome to the forum!
Model wise I can understand you taking full command on your units such as 10 black guard. They just look so good with full command.
On your boss with Ogre Blade, I don't think you can use it with the extra hand weapon as it's a magic weapon.
Enjoy Warhammer.
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Post by tunacells on Jul 3, 2020 8:18:12 GMT
Welcome to the forum! Model wise I can understand you taking full command on your units such as 10 black guard. They just look so good with full command. On your boss with Ogre Blade, I don't think you can use it with the extra hand weapon as it's a magic weapon. Enjoy Warhammer. Thank you! Would you recommend not taking full command on the Black Guard? I should have specified that my Supreme Sorceress is integrated in that unit for some protection, as the Dreadlord and Death Hag on Cauldron are in the 20x Witch Elves for extra attacks and murderousness. About the extra weapon on my lord, that was just to make the pts even as it's 3pts, the plan is to use the Ogre Blade with big stuff and the other weapons when and if in combat with less tough units. Is it even allowed? I'm not sure 😅 |
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Post by strutsagget on Jul 3, 2020 19:05:21 GMT
Only if the magic weapon destroyed will he use a mundane weapon.
My two problems with the list is 800p of 2000 in lords/heroes slot.
I would drop the dreadlord.
For 8ed army it’s is a bit low on models. I would beef up the black guard and withes for the points freed up by sacking the lord.
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Post by knoffles on Jul 4, 2020 9:13:29 GMT
I agree it could do with some more bodies so echo strutsagget’s comments.
10 Blackguard just seems too few (even with Stubborn). They aren’t that defensible so a couple of turns of reasonable shooting or a lucky magic missile roll and they could be rendered ineffective.
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Post by strutsagget on Jul 4, 2020 9:51:58 GMT
To make the witches a horde with a cauldron they need to be 28 models plus the 12 from the cauldron and then you have 3 extra spaced in row 5 of the cauldron. Or just 30 with 9 from the cauldron and then 21 models but then you loose horde after losing first model. So anything between 21 and 28 works.
Black guard probably should be at least 18, 3x rows of 6 models.
I would also like a second bolt thrower as it lowers the randomness per game of having just a single.
You could also drop some command on the units to free up points.
I like having full command in the larger units but maybe only musician in the others and then an extra banner here and there.
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Post by tunacells on Jul 4, 2020 11:20:51 GMT
To make the witches a horde with a cauldron they need to be 28 models plus the 12 from the cauldron and then you have 3 extra spaced in row 5 of the cauldron. Or just 30 with 9 from the cauldron and then 21 models but then you loose horde after losing first model. So anything between 21 and 28 works. Black guard probably should be at least 18, 3x rows of 6 models. I would also like a second bolt thrower as it lowers the randomness per game of having just a single. You could also drop some command on the units to free up points. I like having full command in the larger units but maybe only musician in the others and then an extra banner here and there. Thanks guys! Yes you're right, it pains me but I will probably drop the Dreadlord and go for a Horde of Witches and an extra rank of Black Guard as they are there also to protect my Sorceress. About the Dreadlord, any tips on how to make a good build/use of him? Cold one mount, Full armour and shield for a 1+ save, Preservation for 4+ Ward seemed must take to me. Just not entirely sure about the weapon load. |
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Post by strutsagget on Jul 5, 2020 6:49:16 GMT
To make the witches a horde with a cauldron they need to be 28 models plus the 12 from the cauldron and then you have 3 extra spaced in row 5 of the cauldron. Or just 30 with 9 from the cauldron and then 21 models but then you loose horde after losing first model. So anything between 21 and 28 works. Black guard probably should be at least 18, 3x rows of 6 models. I would also like a second bolt thrower as it lowers the randomness per game of having just a single. You could also drop some command on the units to free up points. I like having full command in the larger units but maybe only musician in the others and then an extra banner here and there. Thanks guys! Yes you're right, it pains me but I will probably drop the Dreadlord and go for a Horde of Witches and an extra rank of Black Guard as they are there also to protect my Sorceress. About the Dreadlord, any tips on how to make a good build/use of him? Cold one mount, Full armour and shield for a 1+ save, Preservation for 4+ Ward seemed must take to me. Just not entirely sure about the weapon load. Depends on what role you want him to have? LD bauble, beef up a weak unit? Single hunter? S7 monster killer? 1+/2+ Armour save is a start and then kit depends one role. Heavy Armour Sea Dragon Cloak Shield Mounted Pegasus, ogre blade, cloak of twilight, dragon bane gem, charmed shield is a build. But a master is probably better spent points. If in a unit you can run dawn stone as most of the time a rerollable 1+/2+ is the same as a 4++ ward. The unit will be the ward against shooting/magic with LoS. |
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Post by tunacells on Jul 6, 2020 11:58:17 GMT
Thanks guys! Yes you're right, it pains me but I will probably drop the Dreadlord and go for a Horde of Witches and an extra rank of Black Guard as they are there also to protect my Sorceress. About the Dreadlord, any tips on how to make a good build/use of him? Cold one mount, Full armour and shield for a 1+ save, Preservation for 4+ Ward seemed must take to me. Just not entirely sure about the weapon load. Depends on what role you want him to have? LD bauble, beef up a weak unit? Single hunter? S7 monster killer? 1+/2+ Armour save is a start and then kit depends one role. Heavy Armour Sea Dragon Cloak Shield Mounted Pegasus, ogre blade, cloak of twilight, dragon bane gem, charmed shield is a build. But a master is probably better spent points. If in a unit you can run dawn stone as most of the time a rerollable 1+/2+ is the same as a 4++ ward. The unit will be the ward against shooting/magic with LoS. Was even thinking about having him help with Stupidity and basically lead to a right-timed charge for an unit of Cold One Knights, as I love the models too much. Is it a good idea? |
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Post by strutsagget on Jul 6, 2020 12:24:40 GMT
I prefer the master bsb giving reroll but nothing wrong with dread lord. And the model is indeed sweet but it is also usable as master as there is no visible difference between a master and a lord just rank. You also have standard of discipline and gleaming pennant.
I would put at least 5-6 RnF models and a champ in the unit.
Examples to elaborate on:
Cold One
Dark Elves
Dreadlord: great weapon; Sea Dragon cloak; Cold One; Armour of Destiny; The Other Trickster's Shard; Ruby Ring of Ruin 269
Dreadlord: heavy armour; Sea Dragon cloak; Cold One; Ogre Blade; The Black Amulet 279
Master: Battle Standard; great weapon; Sea Dragon cloak; Cold One; Armour of Destiny 167
Master: Battle Standard; heavy armour; great weapon; Sea Dragon cloak; Cold One; Talisman of Preservation 166
7 Cold One Knights: Dread Knight; musician; standard bearer (Standard of Discipline) 255
7 Cold One Knights: Dread Knight; musician; standard bearer (Gleaming Pennant) 245
1Â 381 points
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