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Post by sirsteve on Aug 23, 2022 21:56:14 GMT
Hi, got a mini-tournament at the weekend and was wondering if I could get feedback on this list.
Playing against Chaos Warriors, Lizards, Chaos Dwarves, spider goblins, orcs and goblins, high elves and ogres so quite a range.
Here's the list...
+ Lords +
Dreadlord [247pts]: Brace of Repeater Handbows, Cold One, Heavy Armour, Sea Dragon Cloak, Shield . Magic Items: AB - ChillBlade, BRB - Dragonbane Gem
Supreme Sorceress [265pts]: Lore of Dark Magic, Wizard Level 4 . Magic Items: BRB - Talisman of Preservation
+ Heroes +
Master [190pts]: Cold One, Heavy Armour, Lance, Repeater Handbow, Sea Dragon Cloak, Shield . Battle Standard Bearer: BRB - Banner of Swiftness . Magic items: BRB - Dispel Scroll, BRB - Dragonhelm, BRB - Relic Sword
+ Core +
Blackark Corsairs [250pts]: Musician, Reaver, Standard bearer . 20x Blackark Corsairs: 20x Repeater handbows
Dark Riders [130pts]: Herald, Musician, Standard bearer . 5x Dark Riders: 5x Repeater Crossbows, 5x Shield
Darkshards [199pts]: Guardmaster, Musician, Standard bearer . 13x Darkshards: 13x Shield
+ Special +
Cold One Knights [270pts]: 8x Cold One Knights, Dread Knight, Musician, Standard bearer
Reaper Bolt Thrower [70pts]
Reaper Bolt Thrower [70pts]
War Hydra [180pts]: Spit Fire
+ Rare +
Doomfire Warlocks [125pts]: 5x Doomfire Warlocks
++ Total: [1,996pts] ++
Cheers
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Post by grandmasterwang on Aug 24, 2022 14:33:02 GMT
Im not sure if the bsb can take a dispell scroll.
There's a fair bit of shooting you have there.
Solid list in general.
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Post by sirsteve on Aug 24, 2022 16:06:09 GMT
Im not sure if the bsb can take a dispell scroll. There's a fair bit of shooting you have there. Solid list in general. Can I ask why as he has no other Arcane items with the other two being a magic weapon and armour. Thanks
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Post by sirsteve on Aug 24, 2022 16:08:23 GMT
In relation to quantity of shooting I like to try to soften the enemy up first.
Either that or I'm annoyed I never created a wood elf army 😂
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Aug 24, 2022 16:49:40 GMT
Im not sure if the bsb can take a dispell scroll. There's a fair bit of shooting you have there. Solid list in general. Can I ask why as he has no other Arcane items with the other two being a magic weapon and armour. Thanks BRB p. 504: "Only a character with a Wizard level can carry an Arcane Item."
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Post by sirsteve on Aug 24, 2022 19:15:59 GMT
Can I ask why as he has no other Arcane items with the other two being a magic weapon and armour. Thanks BRB p. 504: "Only a character with a Wizard level can carry an Arcane Item." Cheers. Better change that then
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Post by rahotep75 on Aug 25, 2022 0:42:57 GMT
The BSB can not take a Magic Banner along with other Magic Items as well.
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Post by sirsteve on Aug 29, 2022 17:34:22 GMT
So after 7 games and taking away the wrath of the dice gods (not sure what I have done to annoy them) I have updated my list. One thing I found was as I was playing a lot of high toughness armies the shooting was too unreliable. So this is the new list. My only worry is against the likes of Skaven or VC due to getting tarpitted. Thoughts would be greatly appreciated... ++ Standard (Dark Elves - Army Book (2013-10) -V8.8.0.) [1,997pts] +++ Uncategorised +- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points) + Lords +Dreadlord [247pts]: Brace of Repeater Handbows, Cold One, Heavy Armor, Sea Dragon Cloak, Shield . Magic Items: AB - ChillBlade, BRB - Dragonbane Gem Supreme Sorceress [315pts]: Cold One, Lore of Dark Magic, Wizard Level 4 . Magic Items: BRB - Dispel Scroll, BRB - Talisman of Preservation + Heroes +Master [144pts]: Battle Standard Bearer, Cold One, Heavy Armor, Lance, Repeater Handbow, Shield . Magic items: BRB - Dragonhelm, BRB - Relic Sword Master [115pts]: Heavy Armor, Sea Dragon Cloak . Magic items: BRB - Fencer's Blades + Core +Blackark Corsairs [426pts]: Musician, Reaver, Standard bearer . 36x Blackark Corsairs: 36x Additional hand weapons Dark Riders [80pts]: 5x Dark Riders + Special +Cold One Knights [300pts]: 9x Cold One Knights, Dread Knight, Musician, Standard bearer Cold One Knights [210pts]: 6x Cold One Knights, Dread Knight, Musician, Standard bearer War Hydra [160pts]++ Total: [1,997pts] ++Created with BattleScribe
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Post by rahotep75 on Aug 29, 2022 20:10:56 GMT
What’s the point of the master on foot? 4 S4 attacks isn’t going to add much to the Corsair combat rez, especially for the points. His leadership won’t help too much either.
Also, the lance on your BSB is wasted, since he is required to use the relic blade.
Personally, I would drop your master on foot and try to find the remaining points to get 2 bolt throwers. I like corsairs over the ubiquitous witch elf deathstar or dark rider spam, but I would be concerned they will be left behind by the faster cold ones. And if you are holding the cold ones back to wait for corsairs, the cold ones are left in the open vs shooting and magic for longer.
I think only having 5 units is a concern as well, and redirectors and chaff will be a difficulty.
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Post by sirsteve on Aug 29, 2022 23:52:06 GMT
How about this...
++ Standard (Dark Elves - Army Book (2013-10) -V8.8.0.) [1,998pts] ++
+ Uncategorised +
- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points)
+ Lords +
Dreadlord [237pts]: Cold One, Heavy Armor, Sea Dragon Cloak, Shield . Magic Items: AB - ChillBlade, BRB - Dragonbane Gem
Supreme Sorceress [320pts]: Cold One, Lore of Dark Magic, Wizard Level 4 . Magic Items: BRB - Dispel Scroll, BRB - Talisman of Preservation, BRB - Warrior Bane
+ Heroes +
Master [139pts]: Battle Standard Bearer, Cold One, Heavy Armor, Sea Dragon Cloak, Shield . Magic items: BRB - Dragonhelm, BRB - Relic Sword
+ Core +
Blackark Corsairs [382pts]: Musician, Reaver, Standard bearer . 32x Blackark Corsairs: 32x Additional hand weapons
Dark Riders [120pts]: Musician, Standard bearer . 5x Dark Riders: 5x Repeater Crossbows, 5x Shield
+ Special +
Cold One Knights [270pts]: 8x Cold One Knights, Dread Knight, Musician, Standard bearer
Cold One Knights [210pts]: 6x Cold One Knights, Dread Knight, Musician, Standard bearer
Reaper Bolt Thrower [70pts]
Reaper Bolt Thrower [70pts]
War Hydra [180pts]: Fiery Breath
++ Total: [1,998pts] ++
Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net)
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Post by sedge on Sept 6, 2022 13:25:57 GMT
I don't think your equipment loadouts on your characters is great:
Dreadlord - the combo of Cold One + Heavy Armour + Sea Dragon Cloak gives him a 1+ armour save. You don't need a shield. Dragonbane Gem is not bad in itself, but how often are you fighting flaming attacks? You would be much better off with a general ward save you can take against anything. An elf has crappy toughness, and as such is very squishy, even with that 1+ armour save. The Talisman of Preservation or Armour of Destiny are your best option here for a 4++ ward, but if you've used both elsewhere then you can go for the Black Amulet instead. The Chillblade is also mediocre in this situation - wounding automatically is great, but the other part of its benefit rarely comes into effect, and you have no way of punching through armour. You would be better off with a cheap Sword of Might or better yet the Ogre Blade - both offer a consistent Strength boost, and help you with both wounding and armour saves. I'd recommend: Black Amulet + Ogre Blade.
Master - same situation with the shield; it's unnecessary. Also, the Dragonhelm is a very expensive ward save against (relatively uncommon) flaming attacks; it doesn't help your armour save which is 1+ already. You should kit this guy out much like the Dreadlord, but with the priority on getting a ward save - you need to keep your BSB alive, especially in a unit of Cold Ones who otherwise will fail a Stupidty test at the worst possible moment. If you give him the Talisman of Preservation or Armour of Destiny (which you should) then give him a lance as a weapon. The Relic Sword is nothing special - ditch it. I'd recommend: Armour of Destiny + Ironcurse Icon.
Supreme Sorceress - Warrior Bane is pretty pointless unless you really have 5 points to spare and absolutely nothing else to go for. Your Dreadlord and Master + Cold One Knights will do the damage. She's there to cast spells and stay alive.
Corsairs - I love these models; they're versatile, but do get overshadowed by Witch Elves, which are cheaper and much more deadly. Still, they're solid at churning through light infantry, and pretty sturdy. Switching to additional hand weapons was a good move; the handbows are too short ranged to be useful. Do you field them in a horde, or ranks of 7?
Dark Riders - why the banner? Unless you're playing BRB scenarios and need the standard, I wouldn't bother, it's a waste of points.
Cold One Knights - why two units? Your list looks like you've built it around one nasty unit of Cold One Knights loaded up with characters - but actually, neither unit is that big. These are probably best fielded in a rank of 6 (to maximise models in base-to-base contact with an average unit width), which means you want 12+ models in one unit, although that does mean the Sorceress moves to the front, so in this case ranks of 5 could be better. Either way, I'd suggest combining your units into one. Give that unit a Magic Standard - the Banner of Swiftness is good, but I'd also suggest considering the Ranger's Standard if you play on terrain-heavy battlefields, as it lets you spring a nasty surprise by charging cavalry through woods/over walls, when your opponent least expects it.
You should have spare points if you combine the units, as you don't need 14 knights in one unit. You could use that to get a Cold One Chariot in, to continue the theme.
War Hydra - Fiery Breath is much more useful - it can be used in combat too.
Reaper Bolt Throwers - are great, but I worry they'll be vulnerable to any flyers/fast cavalry/other warmachine hunters that go after them. Your list is generally quite offensive, and these don't fit with that.
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Post by knoffles on Sept 13, 2022 18:13:29 GMT
sedge, just a quick one, the armour of Destiny is 50pts so he couldn’t take the ironcurse icon. I know you knew that and it just got caught up in your solid reply!
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Post by oldmandan on Sept 19, 2022 8:07:49 GMT
I agree with Sedge here. You have some good ideas but it doesn't feel like there's a cohesive plan here. Are you shooting, magic or combat focused? I used to do this all the time. Definitely try and ensure you have a couple of bolt throwers to support the corsairs. I was pleased to see you had thought about using the banner of swiftness. I did the same thing with my wood elves and caught my opponent out as we were in combat by turn two.
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Post by oldmandan on Sept 19, 2022 8:11:36 GMT
Against Skaven focus fire on the unit with the most threat, I'll post an army list at some point so you could see how I think. VC would be similar but you would need to dominate the magic phase. What would you say Sedge?
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Post by sirsteve on Sept 19, 2022 16:17:26 GMT
Hi thanks for the points made and sorry for the late reply.
When my group plays it's usually mini-tournaments so I can end up playing against Dwarves (normal and Chaos), Chaos (warriors or demons) and orks with one list. This is probably why they come out quite generic.
I have read/listened to reviews that say there are multiple ways to play the army which may also be an issue. To many good toys to choose from.
Thanks again for the advice.
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