Orion's spear

The Spear of Kurnous' entry has a sentence that says "that it can be used to make shooting attacks" (and not: it's a missile weapon, like the Hawk's Talon). So the spear can be used in close combat or as a ranged weapon.

Then follows a ranged weapon profile for the spear.

The sentence that follows then, "Armour saves cannot be taken against Wounds caused by the Spear of Kurnous", isn't part of that ranged weapon profile. So our gaming group's interpretation is that that sentence applies to the spear in general, both close and ranged combat.

(If it were meant to only apply to ranged attacks, it would have been easy for the desingers to stuff that "no armour saves allowed" rule into the ranged weapon profile.)

Note, however, that, in spite of its name, ruleswise the Spear of Kurnous is not a spear at all.

He is saying that lore/name for an item doesn't dictate rules.

The Spear of Kurnous does not have "Spear" listed as a special rule in it's description, neither does it have "Thrown Weapon" as a special rule, even though, according to the name and lore, it is both of those. On the other hand, the Bow of Loren specifically says it is an Asrai Longbow, in its description.

Another example is Kroq-Gar's Revered Spear of Tlanxla.  It specifically does not have Spear in its rules, however it does specifically say if he is mounted, he gains +1 Strength on the charge. If the Revered Spear is a Spear, why would they need to spell this out?

All the magic weapons in 8E, are labelled as "Magic Weapons" and usually have rules indicative of their presumed weapon type (see all the Ogre Weapons that say "Requires Two Hands" and "Always Strikes Last", among other weapons) but they are also specifically not called out as one of those weapons.

Is that actually stated in the rules? Or are you just inferring that from some magic weapons having the similar rules and limitations as mundane weapons? I thought that might be a rule. But I couldn't find it when I looked this morning.

None of these examples are direct analogs.

By its name, Bow of Loren would be a common bow not an Asrai Longbow. So of course they need to state that.

Just because they state how Spear of Tlanxla works, doesn't mean it is required.  GW does that a lot and the clarification text is often worded differently from the rule it is refrenceing.

Do the Ogre weapons have "great weapon" in their names? If not, then yes they need to explicitly add the "Requires Two Hands" and "Always Strikes Last".

thegoat: fluff (including names) has no bearing on the rules. As already quoted above: " "Unless otherwise stated, a magic weapon is treated as a hand weapon, and follows the rules for such." The rules that apply are in the relevant rules section. If it is not otherwise stated in the rules section, it has no bearing on the rules.

This is also indicated in BRB p. 501 (What's in a name?):
"The magic weapons listed below often have a name that describes them as specifically being a sword or another particular type of weapon. This doesn't mean that the model has to have a sword to use the 'Ogre Blade'. We can simply assume that his axe, hammer or other suitable hand weapon has the same properties and is, for example, an 'Ogre Axe'."

The general rule here is exactly that: whatever weapon a concrete model may actually have, it is superseded by the weapon it ruleswise has.

The Magic Weapons section on BRB page 501 is what I was missing. I thought the rule existed. But I didn't find it this morning as I was only looking in the little red book. It doesn't seem to be there. Or maybe I'm blind.