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1plussave
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2500 Orcs and Goblins ride of the chaff brigade. Nov 30, 2022 16:56:08 GMT grandmasterwang, knoffles, and 1 more like this

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Lords
Night Goblin Warboss [161pts]: Light Armour, Shield

Magic Items: BRB - Wizarding Hat

Savage Orc Great Shaman [305pts]: Lore of da Big Waaagh!, Wizard Level 4

Magic Items: AB - Lucky Shrunken Head, BRB - Fencer's Blades, BRB - Obsidian Trinket

Heroes
Black Orc Big Boss [140pts] General
Magic Items: BRB - Enchanted Shield, BRB - Talisman of Preservation

Goblin Big Boss [53pts]: Light Armour, Magic Items, Shield, Spear

Giant Wolf

Night Goblin Big Boss [59pts]: Battle Standard Bearer, Light Armour, Shield

Night Goblin Big Boss [96pts]: Light Armour, Shield, Spear

Great Cave Squig, Magic Items: BRB - Dragonhelm

Night Goblin Shaman [75pts]: Lore of da Little Waaagh!, Wizard Level 1

Magic Items: BRB - Dispel Scroll

Core
Goblin Wolf Riders [55pts]

5x Goblin Wolf Rider: 5x Shield

Goblin Wolf Riders [55pts]

5x Goblin Wolf Rider: 5x Shield

Night Goblins [130pts]: Musician, 2x Night Goblin Fanatics, Standard Bearer

20x Night Goblin: 20x Short Bows

Savage Orc Big 'Uns [420pts]: Boss, Musician, Standard Bearer

35x Savage Orc Big 'Un: 35x Additional Hand Weapon

Special
Goblin Wolf Chariot [50pts]: Wolf Chariot

Goblin Wolf Chariot [50pts]: Wolf Chariot

Savage Orc Boar Boyz [125pts]: Boss

5x Savage Orc Boar Boyz: 5x Shields, 5x Spears

Trolls [210pts]: 6x Troll

Rare
Doom Diver Catapult [80pts]

Doom Diver Catapult [80pts]

Goblin Rock Lobber [85pts]

Mangler Squigs [65pts]

Mangler Squigs [65pts]

Snotling Pumpwagon [70pts]: Out-rigga, Spikey Roller

Snotling Pumpwagon [70pts]: Out-rigga, Spikey Roller

Total: [2,499pts]

I think this is one of my favourite generic list compositions; the Savage Big'un Horde with Great Shaman and Black Orc Boss, the Night Goblin BSB Bunker, the Wolf Rider chaff and Hunter Hero and double Doom Divers for general purpose damage as well as the Lobber for specific threats.

Paired in this case with 2 Wolf Chariots and 2 Pumpwagons for heavier chaff clearing and surprise combat res (they do 2-7/12 impact hits and have 3 wounds, they can usually add combat res even if they die), the Savage Boar Boys are a wildcard who can be a serious threat and aren't pushovers on defence (but are completely out of control as a unit), the Manglers are simply great for racking up points or just demanding enemy sacrifices to clear them.

The Wizarding Warboss, the Trolls and the Great Cave Squig are my nods to fun over practicality. The Hat grants a random chance to pick up some decent spells to supplement the army; most signature spells are good enough by themselves to justify paying for a level 2 wizard (Fireball, Searing Doom, Earthblood, Wildform, Iceshard, Miasma, Gaze) and even Death on a Goblin has its uses. The Trolls are there to hold a flank for my main Savage block and to ward off non-flaming knights. The Squig rider is just a lot of fun thanks to his maneuverability and most sees use trying to squeeze past enemy formations to get at backline units or prevent fast cavalry from outflanking.

My main concern is whether I've cheaped out on equipment for some characters in favour of more of them, the Big Boss on Cave Squig could do more to hold up Ethereal units if he had a magic weapon for example and my BSB uses anonymity alone as a shield from being killed. I'm tempted to drop Mangler squigs for Pumpwagons or take a second Rock Lobber. I don't want to drop too many units or reduce them in size by too much but I wonder if I should from a practicality standpoint, do I need the wolf boss and the squig boss for example? Is another Rock Lobber better insurance? Do Pumpwagons outperform Manglers if there are more of them?

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2500 Orcs and Goblins ride of the chaff brigade. Jan 6, 2023 14:22:11 GMT grandmasterwang, knoffles, and 1 more like this

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Post by simon on Jan 6, 2023 14:22:11 GMT

I love the list. I am trying to settle on a similar one myself - block of savages supported by a big cloud of chaff and chariots

Agree 100% on the pump wagons – not the same damage as manglers of course but the advantage is control - there's no need to charge them out too far as you can direct them into your own unit and they stop without doing damage, and if you win a combat they are still in play!. Agree also that the outrigga is a must - I could even leave the spikey roller behind to save points as 2d6 s4 impact isn't bad vs most light units.
I love orc boarboys and may take them just for love of the unit above anything else but I actually think theyre not bad in the game too - frenzy means they won't panic and they hit like an orc chariot on the charge. Always tempting to take the chariot instead though for the t5 and simply that you don't lose attacks as you lose wounds.
With 245 points in 3 war machines - Is there any temptation to leave the war machines altogether and just get bigger units and/or more chariots? They are a bit hit and miss, pun intended. Personally I would take 2 rock lobbers or 0.
Ld 8 general too, does that worry you at all? I really like a savage orc warboss – they can benefit from LSH which gives you quite a bit of flexibility for magic items. Waaagh ability is useful too.
And do you go horde on the savages or ranks? The goblin unit doesn't have too many ranks either do got to super careful not to get flanked. Flyers could be a worry.

Last Edit: Jan 6, 2023 14:23:08 GMT by simon

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2500 Orcs and Goblins ride of the chaff brigade. Jan 7, 2023 0:52:15 GMT grandmasterwang likes this

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Post by 1plussave on Jan 7, 2023 0:52:15 GMT

Jan 6, 2023 14:22:11 GMT simon said:

I love the list. I am trying to settle on a similar one myself - block of savages supported by a big cloud of chaff and chariots

Agree 100% on the pump wagons – not the same damage as manglers of course but the advantage is control - there's no need to charge them out too far as you can direct them into your own unit and they stop without doing damage, and if you win a combat they are still in play!. Agree also that the outrigga is a must - I could even leave the spikey roller behind to save points as 2d6 s4 impact isn't bad vs most light units.
I love orc boarboys and may take them just for love of the unit above anything else but I actually think theyre not bad in the game too - frenzy means they won't panic and they hit like an orc chariot on the charge. Always tempting to take the chariot instead though for the t5 and simply that you don't lose attacks as you lose wounds.
With 245 points in 3 war machines - Is there any temptation to leave the war machines altogether and just get bigger units and/or more chariots? They are a bit hit and miss, pun intended. Personally I would take 2 rock lobbers or 0.
Ld 8 general too, does that worry you at all? I really like a savage orc warboss – they can benefit from LSH which gives you quite a bit of flexibility for magic items. Waaagh ability is useful too.
And do you go horde on the savages or ranks? The goblin unit doesn't have too many ranks either do got to super careful not to get flanked. Flyers could be a worry.

At the end of the day I love the spiky roller for the "2's to ~~wound~~Kill." vs T3, 5+ armour chaff or deadly racing elf horses, which is 90% of it. For the cost of the upgrade its worth the return and the unit is cheap enough that its not a bank breaker if they get focus fired. The savage boar boys are great, I can accept that if they hit something and kill it I won't see them turn around for a long time because they are such an annoyance; T4, 4+ armour and 6+ ward means it'll take a little more than bows to stop them, they also put out so many attacks that being charged doesn't completely screw them. The Champion being S6 on the charge is also somewhat of a surprise hidden in the mess.

At 245 points I consider that to be the minimum O&G should be spending on war machines at this level, the goblin gunline is king for a reason, its (semi-)reliable damage that is a constant threat and a solution to all those things you just can't reach to fight. No chaff wall will protect you from 3 indirect fire shooters. I particularly favour them for fighting phoenixes, the Doom divers are return after return on your money until they kill themselves because if they launch they hit more than any other non-rerollable war machine. I do regret not putting in a second lobber but I was getting tight on variety points.

I play Ogre Kingdoms too, in this army about 8 of my 17 units are Immune to psych and the remaining units consist of 3 war machines 2 chariots, 3 more chaff units who operate miles from the bubble and one bunker with a BSB, that kind of coverage is considered amazing. If the roaming wolves run the Ld was never there in the first place and the remainder should be within the reroll bubble until the general would have been out of range anyway. The Savages Horde unless I see a super Janky way using the ranks to win a fight I otherwise wouldn't, maybe rushing a block of Brets in the flank.

I love the idea of an actual warboss but the wackier units push him out for points and its O&G; he'd have to compete with the Wizarding Hat, and I love the Wizarding Hat, it lost me an entire tournament and I still won't drop it. If I did include one he'd either be a Battleaxe of the Last Waaagh! delivery mechanism or a super tanked up Crown of Command bearer, I kind of wish I could have the Crown, the 2+ save armour and the Sword of Anti-Heroes but damn points squeeze.

The goblin unit has 2 fanatics so anything that flies into them first has to beat the odds and then has to break Steadfast before I just turn one of my other units around to kill it. With the BSB and a Lord level goblin in there it can fight flying chaff.

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2500 Orcs and Goblins ride of the chaff brigade. Jan 9, 2023 13:11:06 GMT grandmasterwang likes this

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Post by simon on Jan 9, 2023 13:11:06 GMT

I can see youre thinking about fighting elves in particular! Not a bad idea as the last thing you want is a phoenix jumping straight into your bunker unit.. Rock lobbers are good for elves as you can target their infantry too once youve run out of pheonixes

And yes I agree if you put a pump wagon into 5 reavers then the spikey roller ensures you take them out even if you roll below average on the impact.
I play dwarfs and so it always seems expensive to pay 170 for 2 rock lobbers that only hit one third of the time, but I suppose if you take 2 then you should hit something, hopefully! The doom divers are definitely worth the points as chances are there will be some kind of juicy target for them like knights or monstrous cav. You mentioned tournaments - are you in the UK by any chance? The typical tourney comp here punishes double doom diver and double rock lobber quite harshly so that going from 2 of each to no war machines is a big +7 swing on the comp score. I was thinking of a fluffy no warmachines list with savages, chaff and 10 chariots (!) but then I worry it might struggle a bit vs high toughness units. I’ll post a list here once I start getting some practice games in.

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2500 Orcs and Goblins ride of the chaff brigade. Jan 9, 2023 17:55:43 GMT grandmasterwang and simon like this

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Post by 1plussave on Jan 9, 2023 17:55:43 GMT

Jan 9, 2023 13:11:06 GMT simon said:

I can see youre thinking about fighting elves in particular! Not a bad idea as the last thing you want is a phoenix jumping straight into your bunker unit.. Rock lobbers are good for elves as you can target their infantry too once youve run out of pheonixes

And yes I agree if you put a pump wagon into 5 reavers then the spikey roller ensures you take them out even if you roll below average on the impact.
I play dwarfs and so it always seems expensive to pay 170 for 2 rock lobbers that only hit one third of the time, but I suppose if you take 2 then you should hit something, hopefully! The doom divers are definitely worth the points as chances are there will be some kind of juicy target for them like knights or monstrous cav. You mentioned tournaments - are you in the UK by any chance? The typical tourney comp here punishes double doom diver and double rock lobber quite harshly so that going from 2 of each to no war machines is a big +7 swing on the comp score. I was thinking of a fluffy no warmachines list with savages, chaff and 10 chariots (!) but then I worry it might struggle a bit vs high toughness units. I’ll post a list here once I start getting some practice games in.

I usually end up in the +/-1 in comp because my preferred units tend to be +s while my heavy hitters are the usual - suspects.

And yeah I am in the UK and try to make the Triple Crown and the Cardiff Crusade when I can, though I prefer the Derby or Worcester ones for travel distance.

I find once I plan for Elves you can handle anything, even the dirtiest of units from other armies struggle to breach the top slots occupied by elf units. Epidimius, Nurgle Daemon Princes, Chariot cannons, Bret character walls, 1+ save Imperial Knights, Skaven gunnery... Theres something in here to mess up everyone.

And if all else fails I have Foot.

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2500 Orcs and Goblins ride of the chaff brigade. Jan 10, 2023 5:14:35 GMT via mobile grandmasterwang, jukei, and 1 more like this

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Jan 9, 2023 17:55:43 GMT 1plussave said:

And if all else fails I have Foot.

"If foot fails I have everything else" is generally how I start my stratagems...