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Post by drsentry on Jan 2, 2024 22:01:29 GMT
My brother and I played a game the other day and I couldnt help but feel bad for him. My tomb guard destroyed hid black orc unit causing him to lose the game.
We both discussed it and we feel like black orcs are not as good as other factions elite troops. We also cannot decide which is the best weapon to use for them. He chose Hand weapon/shield against my tomb guard for the saves. Should have he chosen paired hand weapons? He also only had 30 black orcs. I feel like that should be plenty but maybe 40 in horde would be superior.
For context my tomb guard had halberds and a tk and necrotect. I dont think black orcs alone could beat that unit but what are some tools he could use to support them? He already uses fantatics to damage chargers.
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Post by copperpotmd on Jan 2, 2024 22:13:29 GMT
My brother and I played a game the other day and I couldnt help but feel bad for him. My tomb guard destroyed hid black orc unit causing him to lose the game. We both discussed it and we feel like black orcs are not as good as other factions elite troops. We also cannot decide which is the best weapon to use for them. He chose Hand weapon/shield against my tomb guard for the saves. Should have he chosen paired hand weapons? He also only had 30 black orcs. I feel like that should be plenty but maybe 40 in horde would be superior. For context my tomb guard had halberds and a tk and necrotect. I dont think black orcs alone could beat that unit but what are some tools he could use to support them? He already uses fantatics to damage chargers. I LOVE my Black Orcs....how many points were you guys playing? In a 2.5k game, I will run at least 35. And imo HW/Shield is not the way to go...always additional HW unless going up against something really nasty, with high T or a lot of armor. 2 S5 attacks coming In from each BlOrc on round 1 is awesome, 1 S7 is also awesome. 1 S5 is not. Also, I totally get feeling bad! But that is how the dice roll sometimes. |
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Post by lordofskullpass on Jan 22, 2024 19:10:27 GMT
If you want Black Orcs to be good without fielding them in a big ugly horde, play TOW, Black Orcs are probably one of the biggest winners for the Greenskins in that game  |
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Post by masterofnone on Jan 24, 2024 21:07:38 GMT
If you want Black Orcs to be good without fielding them in a big ugly horde, play TOW, Black Orcs are probably one of the biggest winners for the Greenskins in that game That might mean I finally end up using mine... Looking forward to some battle reports showing how they fare in TOW. |
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Post by drsentry on Jan 29, 2024 19:32:04 GMT
My brother and I played a game the other day and I couldnt help but feel bad for him. My tomb guard destroyed hid black orc unit causing him to lose the game. We both discussed it and we feel like black orcs are not as good as other factions elite troops. We also cannot decide which is the best weapon to use for them. He chose Hand weapon/shield against my tomb guard for the saves. Should have he chosen paired hand weapons? He also only had 30 black orcs. I feel like that should be plenty but maybe 40 in horde would be superior. For context my tomb guard had halberds and a tk and necrotect. I dont think black orcs alone could beat that unit but what are some tools he could use to support them? He already uses fantatics to damage chargers. I LOVE my Black Orcs....how many points were you guys playing? In a 2.5k game, I will run at least 35. And imo HW/Shield is not the way to go...always additional HW unless going up against something really nasty, with high T or a lot of armor. 2 S5 attacks coming In from each BlOrc on round 1 is awesome, 1 S7 is also awesome. 1 S5 is not. Also, I totally get feeling bad! But that is how the dice roll sometimes. We were playing 2.5k. In hindsight I probably should have advised him to use paired hand weapons since he could have killed more of my tomb guard that way. |
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Post by grandmasterwang on Feb 6, 2024 11:37:19 GMT
I LOVE my Black Orcs....how many points were you guys playing? In a 2.5k game, I will run at least 35. And imo HW/Shield is not the way to go...always additional HW unless going up against something really nasty, with high T or a lot of armor. 2 S5 attacks coming In from each BlOrc on round 1 is awesome, 1 S7 is also awesome. 1 S5 is not. Also, I totally get feeling bad! But that is how the dice roll sometimes. We were playing 2.5k. In hindsight I probably should have advised him to use paired hand weapons since he could have killed more of my tomb guard that way. That would have been a double whammy with the crumble. Did he have any characters in the unit? If not, it's not really a fair fight as you had 2. I like Black Orcs for the Strength 7 in one round and not having to worry about animosity. I can't off the top of my head think of another infantry unit which can hit at Strength 7 unassisted. If the Tomb Guard were WS 3 the fight would have been very different. I love my Tomb Kings so fair play for them taking out the Orcs 😀. I've never actually run a horde of Black Orcs so in 8th they certainly don't need to he used in horde formation to be effective. They are still Orcs however (and pointed accordingly) so don't expect Chaos Chosen level results. I generally find HW/Shield or GW to be the go over AHW. Elite Elves (most types) are generally a bad matchup for them but I don't think Black Orcs are bad at all. |
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