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Post by vulcan on Oct 6, 2017 22:51:53 GMT
The White Dwarf is cool, but oddly not terribly durable. No immunity to KB or poison and a lack of a ward save make him surprisingly squishy when fighting Dark Elves.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Oct 8, 2017 0:23:50 GMT
The White Dwarf is cool, but oddly not terribly durable. No immunity to KB or poison and a lack of a ward save make him surprisingly squishy when fighting Dark Elves. Which rules are you referring to? Do you mean the White Dwarf with Gotrek and Bugman. The White Dwarf rules I use originally from the Games Workshop website give him a 1+ armor save and 4+ ward save. 500 point pick.
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Post by vulcan on Oct 8, 2017 0:32:33 GMT
Someone ran him against me, and threw him into my Executioners. When I asked him if he had a ward save he said 'no'... which was bad news with that many KB attacks coming in.
It could well be he goofed, and therefore I am misinformed.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Oct 8, 2017 6:49:18 GMT
Someone ran him against me, and threw him into my Executioners. When I asked him if he had a ward save he said 'no'... which was bad news with that many KB attacks coming in. It could well be he goofed, and therefore I am misinformed. I think in total there are like 5 different sets of Games Workshop released rules for the White Dwarf so it could well be he just played a version where he had no ward save. Killing Blow does seem to be his weakness though... first time I ever played him Skulltaker decapitated him despite me playing him with a 4+ ward save! I love all the Dogs of War special characters like Beorg the Bearman etc etc! I recently played my mate who used Grimgors End Times rules....... that was interesting. Love Orion's 8th rules. Someone mentioned he was a glass cannon. I think he is the only character in the game with 2 shooting attacks. Skarsnik and Gobbla I've played but we play him with an additional 6+ 'Skarsnik' ward save. He is dead sneaky afterall. I would like to try playing with/against all the special character Verminlord's at some stage, they seem very interesting.
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Post by henning on Oct 8, 2017 7:50:56 GMT
Do you think skarsnik is worth his points?
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Post by Horace on Oct 9, 2017 8:57:43 GMT
Skarsnik is a tricky one, he is not bad in many ways but he is SO squishy. 6 wounds don't go very far with just light armour and toughness 4. I would be very careful where you apply him and try and get some other NG Big Boss support in the unit too. You can't go running him into any units like he is a Chaos Lord.
Plus points: He is leadership 8 He can throw out a reasonable amount of damage, some of which is Killing Blow. His prodder can be nasty against heavily armoured knights etc Sneaky Schemes can actually be quite powerful and hilarious
Is that worth 275 points? I'm not sure, but Skarsnik is cool so go for it.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Oct 9, 2017 10:29:14 GMT
Do you think skarsnik is worth his points? I echo Horace's thoughts. I find him a bit too squishy for his points which is why we play him with a 6+ ward save. Skarsnik deserves that little bit of plot armor at least I feel. One of my favourite ever characters in the lore.
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Post by mottdon on Oct 9, 2017 12:08:04 GMT
Yeah, unfortunately, Skarsnik's rules were written before any of the Elf books came out. I think that the O&G and TK books would've been VERY different had they been written later in 8th edition.
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Post by Horace on Oct 9, 2017 12:22:37 GMT
Yeah, unfortunately, Skarsnik's rules were written before any of the Elf books came out. I think that the O&G and TK books would've been VERY different had they been written later in 8th edition. Why? Which aspects of the O&G book do you not like? TK obviously have a few discrepancies when compared to VC
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Post by mottdon on Oct 9, 2017 14:23:48 GMT
Things like their Full Command on Orc units costing 35 points instead of the standard 30, the cost of a Wyvern vs it's usefulness, the lack of Monstrous Cavalry, etc.
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Post by KevinC on Oct 9, 2017 23:16:26 GMT
Yeah, unfortunately, Skarsnik's rules were written before any of the Elf books came out. I think that the O&G and TK books would've been VERY different had they been written later in 8th edition. -------Why do you say that? The 8th edition O&G book is the best of all the O&G books over the years. I think every 8th edition book is really well done, with the exception of Tomb Kings, which is under par. Though, Undead Legions helps to fix that in my eyes. As for Skarsnik, look, he's a goblin. His 6 Wounds is a big deal.You could look at it as: the first three Wounds Skarsnik suffers, he automatically saves! (because he stills has 3 Wounds left!) You just have to be clever with him, he's not Grimgor or a Chaos Lord, like Horace said.
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Post by Naitsabes on Oct 10, 2017 0:02:54 GMT
'Clever'? Surely you meant to say 'cunning'
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Post by Horace on Oct 10, 2017 7:56:23 GMT
I think people regard many characters as trash if they don't have a 4++ and pack a decent armour save. Skarsnik does have some other things going for him though. You just have to be careful where he is used
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Post by mottdon on Oct 10, 2017 12:13:53 GMT
So where do you put him? Is he on the front lines or in a bunker behind the 50+ horde? Allow him a little lane to shoot his magic stick?
Imagine this scenario:
3 small units of 25-30 NG, one unit of 6 Trolls and a horde of 50 up front. Skarsnik in the middle and back. x=NG, TT= 1 Troll, SS= Skarsnik, B= BSB, W= NG Shaman, G= Warlord/Big Boss bodyguard for Skarsnik, s= Squig, h= squig hearder TT SS
TTTTTT xxxxxxxxxx ssssssssss TTTTTT xxxxxxxxxx ssssssssss TTTTTT xxxxxxxxxx ssssssssss TTTTTT xxxxxxxxxx hhhhhhhhhh xxxxxxxxxx hhhhhhhhhh Wxxxx xxxxx SSGxxxxxxB xxxxx xxxxx SSxxxxxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxx x xxxxxx
Would that be a good use for him? He'd have a good LD bubble, with BSB reroll, so there shouldn't be too much trouble with running away, he'd have an avenue for his magic stick, near enough to control the Trolls, if he were to see combat, he'd have a bodyguard who could take the challenge as well as offer another combat threat to anyone in base contact, and far enough away from the Shaman to avoid any miscast results.
What do you guys think?
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Post by Horace on Oct 10, 2017 17:16:39 GMT
Yes I would do something similar. Hold him in reserve a little and apply him in a favourable matchup
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