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Post by knoffles on May 18, 2018 6:59:03 GMT
I know if you fire a cannon at say a unit of ogres (or other multiwound models) you should roll to wound on one model and only roll to wound on the next, if the first is killed outright.
What about for normal 1 wound rank and file (say a unit of 20 swordsman). Do you just work out how many ranks the cannon ball would hit (to keep it simple it hits all 4 ranks and thus 4 swordsmen in my example) and then roll 4 dice at once (and hope to not get any 1's to wound). This is how I would normally play it.
If the first person hit was a character who failed their lookout sir roll, then I would roll that one first (as they are a multi-wound model) and then roll the remaining dice for the other models hit in one go.
I did recently have an opponent insist that I roll one dice at a time for each rank. Apart from seeming to be a bit of a dick move and the extra time added to the game I couldn't find anything at the time to refute this. I've had a look subsequently (page 112-13) it says the shot hits everything it moves through and I look at it in the same way as any other shooting, once it's hit, you then roll to wound (following standard rules for shooting on page 42). If you have 20 archers, you roll to hit first and then roll any wounds at the same time, not one by one.
Am I missing anything?
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Post by grandmasterwang on May 18, 2018 9:25:27 GMT
I know if you fire a cannon at say a unit of ogres (or other multiwound models) you should roll to wound on one model and only roll to wound on the next, if the first is killed outright. What about for normal 1 wound rank and file (say a unit of 20 swordsman). Do you just work out how many ranks the cannon ball would hit (to keep it simple it hits all 4 ranks and thus 4 swordsmen in my example) and then roll 4 dice at once (and hope to not get any 1's to wound). This is how I would normally play it. If the first person hit was a character who failed their lookout sir roll, then I would roll that one first (as they are a multi-wound model) and then roll the remaining dice for the other models hit in one go. I did recently have an opponent insist that I roll one dice at a time for each rank. Apart from seeming to be a bit of a dick move and the extra time added to the game I couldn't find anything at the time to refute this. I've had a look subsequently (page 112-13) it says the shot hits everything it moves through and I look at it in the same way as any other shooting, once it's hit, you then roll to wound (following standard rules for shooting on page 42). If you have 20 archers, you roll to hit first and then roll any wounds at the same time, not one by one. Am I missing anything? No, you are correct. He may be doing that as a hold over from old rules or thinking of the bolt thrower rules. I don't think he was necessarily trying to be a dick but probably has always done it like this. So long as he didn't try and say the cannon ball has stopped if you failed one then all good I'd say. It's even possible it was an immersion thing for him. |
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Post by knoffles on May 18, 2018 9:51:44 GMT
Cheers for the confirmation. I did roll a 1 on the first model and he did insist it didn’t go any further. I didn’t make a big thing of it and whitewashed him after that point anyway as the organ gun and Irondrakes were on fire.
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Post by grandmasterwang on May 18, 2018 10:05:52 GMT
Cheers for the confirmation. I did roll a 1 on the first model and he did insist it didn’t go any further. I didn’t make a big thing of it and whitewashed him after that point anyway as the organ gun and Irondrakes were on fire. Ah...now I can see why you thought he was pulling a dick move. |
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Post by knoffles on May 18, 2018 11:11:32 GMT
Cheers for the confirmation. I did roll a 1 on the first model and he did insist it didn’t go any further. I didn’t make a big thing of it and whitewashed him after that point anyway as the organ gun and Irondrakes were on fire. Ah...now I can see why you thought he was pulling a dick move. He was unfortunately one of those players for quite a bit of the game. Not gracious in defeat either. I doubt I’ll look to replay him in the near future |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on May 18, 2018 15:15:11 GMT
As it says on BRB p.113: "if the monster or monstrous infantry/beast/cavalry model is not slain, the sheer bulk of the creature robs the cannonball of all momentum and the shot travels no further" (Italics mine). It does not apply to models that are not monsters or monstrous infantry/beast/cavalry.
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Post by sedge on May 18, 2018 18:07:55 GMT
I'll admit I'd have made the same mistake myself - I'd assumed they'd worked as your opponent thought, as I'm used to bolt throwers and are yet to field a regular cannon. It could have been an honest mistake on his part.
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Post by mottdon on May 18, 2018 18:40:36 GMT
I feel you there, knoffles. I used to play a guy who would pull obscure rules in his favor ALL THE TIME. I eventually quit playing him because of it.
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