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Post by mottdon on Jun 7, 2018 21:34:24 GMT
So, I've been contemplating building this army. I need to know what you guys think of it and if it's worth the time and effort. (And money)
Slaughtermaster (Lv4, Dispel Scroll, Additional Hand Weapon, Talisman of Preservation, Ironcurse Icon,) - 362 Bruiser (BSB, Great Weapon, Armor of Destiny) - 191 Hunter (Stonehorn, Great Weapon, Giantbreaker (+1S), Glittering Scales) - 441
8 Ogres (Full Command w/ Look Out Gnoblar, Ironfists) - 291 8 Ogres (Full Command w/ Look Out Gnoblar, Ironfists) - 291 6 Ogres (Full Command w/ Look Out Gnoblar, Additional Hand Weapons) - 221 6 Ogres (Full Command w/ Look Out Gnoblar, Additional Hand Weapons) - 221
4 Mournfang Cavalry (Full Command, Heavy Armor, Great Weapons, Banner of Swiftness) - 337 4 Mournfang Cavalry (Full Command, Heavy Armor, Great Weapons, Standard of Discipline) - 337 Gorger - 90 3 Yhetees - 132 4 Sabretusks - 84
2 Stonehorns - 500 2 Thundertusks - 500
Total: 3998
So what do y'all think? Would you hate playing this? Would you dread it, or have the perfect thing to counter it?
As is, I'd need to purchase 2 of those Beastrider starter sets (1 Stonehorn and 4 Mournfang) and then a separate Thundertusk, and I could build this army. (Some of my existing army elements would have to be "counts as regular Ogres" - 8 Ironguts and 6 Maneaters. The rest I've got.)
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Post by mottdon on Jun 8, 2018 15:45:45 GMT
Do we really not have any Ogre players here?
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Post by knoffles on Jun 8, 2018 20:55:09 GMT
I thought it was the law that all slaughter masters had to come with glittering scales and fencer blades? I’d love to help but I’ve not played Ogres too much and when I have they’ve tended to be the standard block of ironguts, man eaters etc. I like that your list is different and if I came across that many monsters, especially the 3 stonehorns, I’d be a little bit worried, especially with the two units of mournfang on top of that. As a counter to that and rightly or wrongly, the units of Ogres would worry me less.
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Post by mottdon on Jun 9, 2018 19:35:18 GMT
Thanks, knoffles. I really wasn't sure if this was a good idea or not. I like the idea of a herd of Stonehorns,Thundertusk, and Mournfangss all stampeding across the table. My thinking was even if a couple got taken out, that's just too many to completely counter or stop. And then you'd have several units of Ogres coming in behind them. No small force to have to cut through.
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Post by Naitsabes on Jun 9, 2018 22:16:25 GMT
I don't know too much about Ogres either. Seems to me that Ld is a weakness. All your guys are Ld7/8 (sometimes with a re-roll, the slaughtermaster as a general is 8) and none are immune to panic, right? At 4000pts that seems a bit wimpy.
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Post by mottdon on Jun 11, 2018 13:13:23 GMT
Hmmmm...that is a really good point.
Okay, maybe try something like this? It'd lower my Magic phase impact, but in my experience, it's usually all in or not much. One of the big weaknesses of the Ogre army overall is a lower leadership as you point out. Maybe keeping a Tyrant in there, as centrally located as possible, will reduce that threat of panic as much as possible. Everything in an Ogre army causes Fear or Terror, so no chance of them running from that.
Tyrant (Great Weapon, Talisman of Preservation, Armor of Silvered Steel) - 312 Butcher (Lv2, Dispel Scroll, Great Weapon, Opal Amulet) -184 Bruiser (BSB, Great Weapon, Armor of Destiny) - 191 Hunter (Stonehorn, Great Weapon, Giantbreaker (+1S), Glittering Scales) - 441
8 Ogres (Full Command w/ Look Out Gnoblar, Ironfists) - 291 8 Ogres (Full Command w/ Look Out Gnoblar, Ironfists) - 291 6 Ogres (Full Command w/ Look Out Gnoblar, Additional Hand Weapons) - 221 6 Ogres (Full Command w/ Look Out Gnoblar, Additional Hand Weapons) - 221
4 Mournfang Cavalry (Full Command, Heavy Armor, Great Weapons, Banner of Swiftness) - 337 4 Mournfang Cavalry (Full Command, Heavy Armor, Great Weapons, Standard of Discipline) - 337 Gorger - 90 4 Sabretusks - 84
2 Stonehorns - 500 2 Thundertusks - 500
Total: 4000
So what about that? It'd have a highly defensive Tyrant anchoring one of the main blocks of Ogres, as well as the BSB and Butcher providing support, pushing up behind the screen of Stonehorns (with Hunter - Ld9, S8, -1 to Hit on himself + the T6, W6 from the Stonehorn) and Sabertusks, two Thundertusks providing bombardment, two Mournfang units threatening the flanks, a Gorger who can rampage in their backfield and attack war machines, and then the 4 units of Ogres cleaning up the leftover pieces. What am I missing?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jun 15, 2018 22:39:25 GMT
As an Empire player, I can only say that I would consider Leadbeachers, Mournfangs, Ironblasters and the Hellheart overpowered/undercosted to anything the Empire can muster.
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Post by mottdon on Jun 16, 2018 15:34:58 GMT
I have to say, in my last Ogres vs Empire game, my Stonehorn went into the Stank and they sat there the rest of the game, unable to kill the other.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jun 16, 2018 21:08:43 GMT
There you are. The Demigryphs are one of our best units, but they are far inferior to Mournfangs, which cost only 2 points more. The Leadbealchers and Ironblasters have the great advantage of being able to move and fire (and hold their own in CC), while the Hellheart can rip the heart out of your opponents magic. Perhaps I should have kept quiet for the sake of my fellow brethren in Sigmar...
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Post by mottdon on Jun 17, 2018 4:05:56 GMT
Lol, oh, I'm all too aware of the effects of those inclusions! I usually like to try various lists that aren't netlist auto-includes. That's part of the hunt for me. If I can't find a list that is relatively challenging but not ridiculously hard to beat, then that's what I want to strive for.
I don't like netlists or vastly superior units. That's why I only have one Ironblaster and no Mournfang right now and I've never used a Hell heart in any of my games.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jun 17, 2018 8:40:29 GMT
Good man!
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Jun 18, 2018 12:44:44 GMT
I play Ogres. I've played them a lot, but never at 4000 points. I can't conceptualize what would or might happen as a game.
It's a lot of stinky hairy monsters, no doubt. That army would look really really cool on a tabletop for sure.
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Post by mottdon on Jun 18, 2018 12:49:50 GMT
Well, I know that the trend for 8th edition games is "lots of bodies = won games", but I just want to see if it's possible to break that kind of mold and thinking.
It is a heavy financial investment though, so I want to be sure before I make that jump.
Is it a list you would play?
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Jun 18, 2018 13:01:07 GMT
I would not, cause I don't play Ogres. :/ But it's a list I would LOVE to play against. It's great!
I think all the monsters mean you are a bit weak versus a battery (think 3 or 4 or 5) of cannons. I think the LD being low is a liability, Death Magic LD tests are another easy non-conventional way to kill these monsters.
As far as the $s - Pleading the fifth. Da fiffff.
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Jun 18, 2018 13:10:14 GMT
Also, I should mention that I think the single best "UNIT" in the Ogre army list is an Ironblaster. BEST as in for winning games. A big mobile cannon? It can move and shoot? It's still S10? And it isn't a bunch of weedy gits for crew? No sir, It's a monster. Dude can fight.
I know we're not trying to win (WAAC) here, but having NO Ironblaster could be seen as a weakness. A cannon is a helpful tool to kill other monsters. But maybe you'd rather have the monsters fight each other.
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