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Post by Horace on Oct 12, 2018 13:43:32 GMT
Just wondering what everyone's take on this one is. Particularly FvonSigmaringen 's  I know this is another of those seemingly endless debates but I'm not quite 100% on where I sit on it. Probably the single attack only side.. Bold added by me for the pertinent parts. Deathblow : If a model with this special rule is reduced to 0 Wounds by close combat Attacks or Stomps (but not Impact Hits), he can immediately make a single Deathblow attack before he is removed as a casualty. A Deathblow attack can be resolved against any enemy model in base contact and, its unusual sequencing aside, is resolved exactly like a normal close combat attack (and therefore uses any special rules that would normally apply to the model’s close combat attacks). If a model with the Deathblow special rule is slain in a challenge, his Deathblow attack must be directed at the opposing model in the challenge. Once the Deathblow has been resolved, remove the model as a casualty and resolve the rest of the combat (including any more Deathblows). |
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Post by midnightfox0083 on Oct 12, 2018 16:06:16 GMT
No debate needed. Not only does it call specifically for a single attack, Paired Weapons affects the model's stats not the attacks themselves.
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Post by knoffles on Oct 12, 2018 16:55:42 GMT
Yep agree, you quoted the pertinent bit. Makes a single attack. It doesn’t matter on if he has additional weapons or has multiple attacks.
I do believe he gets the weapon rules for it though (which is the other bit you highlighted), so the attack hits using any runes on their weapon or at +2 Str if you were using a GW in the combat.
The one I’m not sure about is: if the model dies in the round he charges, does the death blow hit with the +1 Str gained from the charge. I’ve always played that it does (and if they charged, this is the only time I might consider using an additional hand weapon over the GW). Again I normally play that the model does get the +1 Str as again I think it falls under the second bit you highlighted about combat special rules.
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Post by thekeep on Oct 12, 2018 18:42:22 GMT
knofflesAgreed. The quote specifically states any special rules apply to the weapon. So +1 str it is!
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Oct 13, 2018 8:50:23 GMT
I agree with what has been said above. Deathblow is limited to a single attack, but will be subject otherwise to all the boni (and mali!) that apply to CC attacks at that time (including the +1 S from the Resolute special rule).
Basically, during a Deathblow a Slayer executes a single attack, which is otherwise exactly the same as when made alive.
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Post by Horace on Oct 15, 2018 11:03:45 GMT
So noone gives any credence to the argument that the additional hand weapon grants the "Extra Attack" special rule, thus granting the extra attack as per the second bold part of the rule?
If so, there is really no point in ever opting to use additional hand weapons with your Slayer Axes unless you are fighting something T2 or equally garbage as far as I can see.
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Post by midnightfox0083 on Oct 15, 2018 11:53:43 GMT
So noone gives any credence to the argument that the additional hand weapon grants the "Extra Attack" special rule, thus granting the extra attack as per the second bold part of the rule? If so, there is really no point in ever opting to use additional hand weapons with your Slayer Axes unless you are fighting something T2 or equally garbage as far as I can see.
It DOES grant that rule, but if you actually read Extra Attack, as pointed out in my first post, Extra Attack affects the model, not the actual attacks.
Extra Attack: "A model with this special rule(or who is attacking with a weapon that bestows this special rule) increases his Attacks value by 1."
Contrast with things like Killing Blow, Poison, and Flaming Attacks, which has their rules actually call them X attacks(I'd quote them as well, but they're all 3 paragraphs long).
So, you're merely adding 1 to the model's statline, not making an "Extra Attack attack" like the others.
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Post by knoffles on Oct 15, 2018 17:28:28 GMT
So noone gives any credence to the argument that the additional hand weapon grants the "Extra Attack" special rule, thus granting the extra attack as per the second bold part of the rule? If so, there is really no point in ever opting to use additional hand weapons with your Slayer Axes unless you are fighting something T2 or equally garbage as far as I can see. The only time it’s worth using them is if you charge a T3 unit. |
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