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Newbie Dwarf 2500pts list Nov 5, 2018 19:57:07 GMT via mobile grandmasterwang, Horace, and 1 more like this

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Post by gregr on Nov 5, 2018 19:57:07 GMT

Hi all,

Having resurrected my Dwarf army after the best part of a decade away from WFB, I've probably not too cleverly signed up to Knoffles' comp over here in London.

Below are two lists I've been thinking about for it

List A

- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points)

+ Heroes [521pts] +

Runesmith [114pts]: Great Weapon [6pts], Shield [3pts]
. Ancestral Heirlooms and Runes [45pts]: Rune of Spellbreaking (1st rune) [25pts], Rune of Spellbreaking (2nd rune) [20pts]

Runesmith [91pts]: Great Weapon [6pts]
. Ancestral Heirlooms and Runes [25pts]: Rune of Spellbreaking (1st rune) [25pts]

Thane [183pts]: Oath Stone [25pts], Shield [3pts]
. Battle Standard Bearer [90pts]: Master Rune of Valaya [65pts]

Thane [133pts]: Oath Stone [25pts], Shield [3pts]
. Ancestral Heirlooms and Runes [40pts]: Rune of Fire (1st rune) [10pts], Rune of Fury (1st rune) [25pts], Rune of Speed [5pts]

+ Core [716pts] +

Longbeards [436pts]: Champion [10pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]
. 29x Longbeard [406pts]: 29x Great Weapons [58pts]

Quarrellers [140pts]
. 10x Quarreller [140pts]: 10x Great Weapons [20pts]

Quarrellers [140pts]
. 10x Quarreller [140pts]: 10x Great Weapons [20pts]

+ Special [952pts] +

Cannon [150pts]
. Cannon [30pts]: Rune of Burning [5pts], Rune of Forging [25pts]

Hammerers [422pts]: Champion [10pts], 28x Hammerer [392pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]

Ironbreakers [380pts]: 25x Ironbreaker [350pts]
. Champion [10pts]: Shield
. Musician [10pts]
. Standard Bearer [10pts]

+ Rare [315pts] +

Organ Gun [170pts]
. Organ Gun [50pts]: Rune of Accuracy [25pts], Rune of Forging [25pts]

Organ Gun [145pts]
. Organ Gun [25pts]: Rune of Forging [25pts]

++ Total: [2504pts] ++

List B

+ Lords [253pts] +

Lord [253pts]: Shield [3pts], Shieldbearers [40pts]
. Ancestral Heirlooms and Runes [65pts]: Master Rune of Alaric the Mad [50pts], Rune of Fire (1st rune) [10pts], Rune of Speed [5pts]

+ Heroes [384pts] +

Runesmith [113pts]: Shield [3pts]
. Ancestral Heirlooms and Runes [50pts]: Rune of Speed [5pts], Rune of Spellbreaking (1st rune) [25pts], Rune of Spellbreaking (2nd rune) [20pts]

Thane [163pts]: Battle Standard Bearer [25pts], Oath Stone [25pts], Shield [3pts]
. Ancestral Heirlooms and Runes [45pts]: Master Rune of Gromril [30pts], Rune of Fire (1st rune) [10pts], Rune of Speed [5pts]

Thane [108pts]: Oath Stone [25pts], Shield [3pts]
. Ancestral Heirlooms and Runes [15pts]: Rune of Fire (1st rune) [10pts], Rune of Stone [5pts]

+ Core [647pts] +

Longbeards [407pts]: Champion [10pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]
. 29x Longbeard [377pts]: 29x Shields [29pts]

Quarrellers [120pts]: 10x Quarreller [120pts]

Thunderers [120pts]: 10x Thunderer [120pts]

+ Special [900pts] +

Cannon [150pts]
. Cannon [30pts]: Rune of Burning [5pts], Rune of Forging [25pts]

Hammerers [405pts]: Champion [10pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]
. 25x Hammerer [375pts]: 25x Shields [25pts]

Ironbreakers [345pts]: 20x Ironbreaker [280pts]
. Champion [10pts]: Shield
. Musician [10pts]
. Standard Bearer [45pts]: Rune of Stoicism [35pts]

+ Rare [315pts] +

Organ Gun [170pts]
. Organ Gun [50pts]: Rune of Accuracy [25pts], Rune of Forging [25pts]

Organ Gun [145pts]
. Organ Gun [25pts]: Rune of Accuracy [25pts]

++ Total: [2499pts] ++

They're both variants of the same really. I'd love to take my miners but not sure what I'd drop without leaving my main army too exposed.

I've had mixed success with this, smashing Bluke's Bretonnians with List B with the ironbreakers with the thane and runesmith holding up most of his cavalry with the stubborn, no flanks and AP, I'd be tempted to do the same again!

Anyway, any thoughts are greatly appreciated!

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Newbie Dwarf 2500pts list Nov 5, 2018 21:20:11 GMT via Tapatalk grandmasterwang likes this

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Post by Horace on Nov 5, 2018 21:20:11 GMT

Welcome back!

I had a long break myself but have really got back into things. I quite enjoy 8th, it feels familiar just bigger.

With regards to your lists, I think I prefer B because I feel you are a bit overloaded with heroes in list A. You probably have more than I would take in B too.

I would say you should probably reconsider your rune combos, you can get a lot more for the points you're spending

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Newbie Dwarf 2500pts list Nov 5, 2018 21:32:05 GMT

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Post by sedge on Nov 5, 2018 21:32:05 GMT

I'm relatively new to Dwarves myself.

List #1 - if your club allows you to play a Thane BSB and a model with a lower Leadership as general (and I think Knoffles said his did) then I'd suggest dropping the oath stone Thane. I also think two Organ Guns is overkill - if you want a third warmachine, get a Grudge Thrower, which is useful for thinning out hordes. I'd strongly suggest at least one Gyrocopter in the list so you have some mobility, plus more help against large infantry blocks. Finally, I would bother with the shield and great weapon on the first Runesmith - go for one or the other; you should also be able to buy both some extra protection (Rune of Stone in particular to boost the armour save).

List #2 - similar thoughts, as the lists aren't too different. I won't comment on the Lord build, as Knoffles' article in the Dwarf Tactics section covers best how to build a shieldbearers Lord and I'd just be repeating his advice. Again, I don't think the oath stone Thane is worth it - your Ironbreakers are tough enough already and so long as you position them correctly you shouldn't be getting flank/rear charged.

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Newbie Dwarf 2500pts list Nov 5, 2018 21:38:36 GMT via Tapatalk

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Post by Horace on Nov 5, 2018 21:38:36 GMT

Nov 5, 2018 21:32:05 GMT sedge said:

I'm relatively new to Dwarves myself.

List #1 - if your club allows you to play a Thane BSB and a model with a lower Leadership as general (and I think Knoffles said his did) then I'd suggest dropping the oath stone Thane.

No reason not to

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Post by knoffles on Nov 6, 2018 8:04:55 GMT

Just to confirm that we do play that being a bsb negates the highest leadership bit so the lists are legit.

I’m also deliberately trying not to comment on the lists so Greg gets alternative views 😀.

But I will say Gyrocoptors are worth their weight in elf tears.

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Newbie Dwarf 2500pts list Nov 6, 2018 10:22:13 GMT grandmasterwang and knoffles like this

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Post by Horace on Nov 6, 2018 10:22:13 GMT

Nov 6, 2018 8:04:55 GMT knoffles said:

Just to confirm that we do play that being a bsb negates the highest leadership bit so the lists are legit.

I’m also deliberately trying not to comment on the lists so Greg gets alternative views 😀.

But I will say Gyrocoptors are worth their weight in elf tears.

Gyrocopters are pretty much an essential for Dwarfs, at least 1 of them anyway. They are a steal at 80 points each. The only reason I didn't point them out is because I am not sure which models gregr has available.

Regarding your Oath stones, I don't mind one of them on your BSB Thane, he could go in the Ironbreakers and make sure you always get that 5++ parry. I would personally give him the Grungni rune for a 4++ save and a 5++ save against shooting for his unit and either stick him in the Hammerers (sans the Oathstone) or run him in the Ironbreakers (with the OS) and pass the shooting protection to the Hammerers too by keeping them within 6" in the early game. As I mentioned before, I think a 2nd Thane is unnecessary, as is the second Runesmith. If you crop those, along with some other things I think you would easily have enough points for Gyros or another war machine/unit.

I quite like the Lord on Shieldbearers, if you are going down the Lord route he gives you some solid options - He is naturally fairly tanky so you can either tool him for some killing and rely largely on high T, W and Armour Save to survive, or you can make him into a tank (you can build him pretty much unkillable) and give him a GW so he is hitting at S6. You are almost certainly going to be striking last against pretty much everyone anyway. This is why all those Rune of Speed are pointless. knoffles has gone into Lord builds on his tactica.

For the rest of the list, you can't really go wrong with a core of Hammerers, Ironbreakers and Longbeards, they are all strong units.

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Newbie Dwarf 2500pts list Nov 6, 2018 20:35:57 GMT grandmasterwang, Horace, and 3 more like this

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Post by gregr on Nov 6, 2018 20:35:57 GMT

Hi all.

Thanks so much for the feedback. I was thinking list a may be too character heavy and that I could maybe spend the points on more troops. Maybe more quarrelers or thunderers with standards to raise the resilience above 6.

I agree on the gyrocopters but bit of a conundrum. Loved the old models and hates the rules. Now I find myself the other way round and without any. Keeping my eye out for the old models for a good price.

I've got two matches coming up against Tomb Kings and either High Elves or Brets so I'll let you know how badly I get mauled!!!

Last Edit: Nov 7, 2018 19:16:27 GMT by gregr

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Newbie Dwarf 2500pts list Nov 7, 2018 20:42:10 GMT via mobile grandmasterwang likes this

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Post by gregr on Nov 7, 2018 20:42:10 GMT

Hey Mark, it's against Tim H on 23rd.

So I've had another look at my list and Knoffles' breakdown on Dwarves (and thought I'd give his Lord rune combo a shot with the tank lord). I could possibly drop the 2nd Organ Gun and I think I'd replace it with a unit of thunderers or possibly more quarrellers with GW.

Option C

Army Size: Army (0-2999 points)

+ Lords [316pts] +

Lord [316pts]: Great Weapon [6pts], Shieldbearers [40pts]
. Ancestral Heirlooms and Runes [125pts]: Rune of Fortitude (1st rune) [35pts], Rune of Iron (1st rune) [20pts], Rune of Iron (2nd rune) [25pts], Rune of Warding (1st rune) [15pts], Rune of Warding (2nd rune) [20pts], Rune of Warding (3rd rune) [10pts]

+ Heroes [269pts] +

Runesmith [111pts]: Great Weapon [6pts]
. Ancestral Heirlooms and Runes [45pts]: Rune of Spellbreaking (1st rune) [25pts], Rune of Spellbreaking (2nd rune) [20pts]

Thane [158pts]: Shield [3pts]
. Battle Standard Bearer [90pts]: Master Rune of Valaya [65pts]

+ Core [687pts] +

Longbeards [407pts]: Champion [10pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]
. 29x Longbeard [377pts]: 29x Shields [29pts]

Quarrellers [140pts]
. 10x Quarreller [140pts]: 10x Great Weapons [20pts]

Quarrellers [140pts]
. 10x Quarreller [140pts]: 10x Great Weapons [20pts]

+ Special [910pts] +

Cannon [150pts]
. Cannon [30pts]: Rune of Burning [5pts], Rune of Forging [25pts]

Hammerers [380pts]: Champion [10pts], 25x Hammerer [350pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]

Ironbreakers [380pts]: 25x Ironbreaker [350pts]
. Champion [10pts]: Shield
. Musician [10pts]
. Standard Bearer [10pts]

+ Rare [315pts] +

Organ Gun [170pts]
. Organ Gun [50pts]: Rune of Accuracy [25pts], Rune of Forging [25pts]

Organ Gun [145pts]
. Organ Gun [25pts]: Rune of Forging [25pts]

++ Total: [2497pts] ++

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Newbie Dwarf 2500pts list Nov 8, 2018 13:22:15 GMT via mobile grandmasterwang and strutsagget like this

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Post by knoffles on Nov 8, 2018 13:22:15 GMT

Hey Greg, what units are you thinking of putting your characters in? I know it can be changed but it helps us get a better idea for advice.

In this list I’d drop the MR of Valaya from the bsb and put it on the hammerers. This means that you could then give the bsb more protection and your favoured oathstone (a GW and MR of Gromril is a good combo with this. The rune that gives an extra wound is also useful if you have the points). Speaking of which, to find points for that:

I would be tempted to drop the runes of warding on the lord. It will free up 45pts to play with and he will be tough enough to tank most things. If you are worried about killing blow, you can drop the 2nd Ro Iron and give him a 2nd Ro fortitude, he’ll then get a 5++ Ward (I think... going on memory here), whilst still being a solid tank. Alternatively you could make the third armour rune the Ro shielding, giving him a 2++ Ward vs killing blow (this is the normal one I take as I can’t stand the thought of a lucky 6 insta killing him and there are quite a lot of armies with access to KB!). Remember he also takes up two 20mm slots, so if he is going in the longbeards (and I recommend he goes either there or the ironbreakers), then you could drop them from 29 models to 28 and have a nice neat block 😉 (which also frees up a few more points).

The Runesmith only has 2 attacks and is primarily a support character (ignoring the runes of spellbeaking, your shield armed units will really benefit from the additional armour piercing he gives) so I’d definitely recommend dropping the GW and giving him a shield and Ro stone for maximum defence.

P.S nothing wrong with two organ guns. I very much recommend two 😀.

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Newbie Dwarf 2500pts list Nov 8, 2018 23:05:39 GMT grandmasterwang and knoffles like this

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Post by gregr on Nov 8, 2018 23:05:39 GMT

Thanks for all the advice Mark, I'll have a rejig with runes before tomorrows game against Tomb Kings. I terms of character deployment I was going with lord to the longbeards, BSB to the Hammerers and Runesmith to the Iron breakers so all three infantry blocks are essentially LD 10with the added effects of the characters.

Given my decidedly below average rolls I'm also a fan of two organ guns to have at least a chance of having one do something!!

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Newbie Dwarf 2500pts list Nov 10, 2018 6:31:55 GMT via mobile grandmasterwang and strutsagget like this

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Post by gregr on Nov 10, 2018 6:31:55 GMT

Hi all. So my battle against the Tomb Kings didn't go so well.

It was an army entirely consisting of archers, horse archers, 2 war sphinx, scorpion knights? 2 level 4 casters and 3 level 1 casters.

Safe to say I was out shot and out magicked! my iron breakers and longbeards gave a good account of themselves in combat, holding up the knights and sphinx, but alas it didn't really work!

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Post by strutsagget on Nov 10, 2018 12:29:27 GMT

Nov 10, 2018 6:31:55 GMT gregr said:

Hi all. So my battle against the Tomb Kings didn't go so well.

It was an army entirely consisting of archers, horse archers, 2 war sphinx, scorpion knights? 2 level 4 casters and 3 level 1 casters.

Safe to say I was out shot and out magicked! my iron breakers and longbeards gave a good account of themselves in combat, holding up the knights and sphinx, but alas it didn't really work!

I always feel you need to do multiple battles to start getting the hang of how your army behaves. The problem is it's too fun creating new lists

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Post by gregr on Nov 10, 2018 13:08:08 GMT

Ha yes I'm starting to get the hang of it. The problem was against 85 archers my hammerers were easily cut to pieces and I struggled to contend with 5 casters with one runesmith and the Master Rune of Valaya.

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