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Post by lordmuffin on Dec 2, 2018 19:07:30 GMT
I was checking on some pistol rules and noticed that additional hand weapon bonuses only apply to models on foot. However, there are instances of cavalry models coming with or being able to be upgraded with 2 hand weapons (wild riders and savage orc boar boys namely). Are these just mistakes? Is there an faq, special rule, or amendment that I missed?
My group has been playing without that rule as it seems counterintuitive (and I guess none of us noticed), but I’m curious how people reconcile the conflict.
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Post by strutsagget on Dec 2, 2018 20:29:55 GMT
Wild riders have spears and hand weapon.
Not sure what part of the brb you refer too as I don't find any limitations to cavalry and extra attack.
“If an infantry model is armed with an additional hand weapon or a brace of pistols, these grant an extra attack. A model can’t, however, wield a brace of pistols or additional hand weapon alongside another type of special weapon such as, say, a halberd.”
“EXTRA ATTACK
Through fury, extra limbs or being armed to the teeth, this warrior can strike more blows.
A model with this special rule (or who is attacking with a weapon that bestows this special rule) increases his Attacks value by 1. Unlike most special rules, the effects of multiple Extra Attack special rules are cumulative.”
Excerpt From
WARHAMMER RULEBOOK
Games Workshop Ltd
Brace of pistols
If a model carries two or more pistols (a ‘brace’) it uses them simultaneously, both in combat and when shooting.
* Grants an Extra Attack to models on foot only.”
Excerpt From
WARHAMMER RULEBOOK
Games Workshop Ltd
So brace will only give you one attack in cc if mounted. Has nothing to do with extra attack rule.
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Post by midnightfox0083 on Dec 2, 2018 21:52:23 GMT
Not sure what part of the brb you refer too as I don't find any limitations to cavalry and extra attack.
Pg. 91, small rulebook, under Two/Additional Hand Weapons(Model on Foot Only): "An additional hand weapon cannot be used by a mounted model..." |
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Post by crownprinceimrik on Dec 2, 2018 23:31:48 GMT
My understanding of Wild Riders is they cannot have multiple hand weapons. They have the Asrai Spear and a hand weapon, and they use one or the other.
For the Savage Orc Boar Boys the BRB says that they cannot have an additional hand weapon, the AB says they can, so that means they get to wield both hand weapons and gain all the advantages/disadvantages associated with that, because the AB overrides the BRB when in direct conflict.
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Post by knoffles on Dec 3, 2018 0:57:18 GMT
Wildriders use a spear but have frenzy and devastating charge (hence can get 3 attacks when they charge). They don’t get any addition attack from the hand weapon (and the spear would be used instead of that anyway)
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Post by midnightfox0083 on Dec 3, 2018 1:54:23 GMT
My understanding of Wild Riders is they cannot have multiple hand weapons. They have the Asrai Spear and a hand weapon, and they use one or the other. For the Savage Orc Boar Boys the BRB says that they cannot have an additional hand weapon, the AB says they can, so that means they get to wield both hand weapons and gain all the advantages/disadvantages associated with that, because the AB overrides the BRB when in direct conflict. This may seem pedantic at first, but the rulebook never says they cannot have them, it says they cannot use them. An important difference in wording and nothing in the O&G book overrides that.
Just another case of GW not knowing how their own rules actually work.
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Post by lordmuffin on Dec 3, 2018 3:30:23 GMT
My understanding of Wild Riders is they cannot have multiple hand weapons. They have the Asrai Spear and a hand weapon, and they use one or the other. For the Savage Orc Boar Boys the BRB says that they cannot have an additional hand weapon, the AB says they can, so that means they get to wield both hand weapons and gain all the advantages/disadvantages associated with that, because the AB overrides the BRB when in direct conflict. This may seem pedantic at first, but the rulebook never says they cannot have them, it says they cannot use them. An important difference in wording and nothing in the O&G book overrides that.
Just another case of GW not knowing how their own rules actually work.
This is the issue I was trying to describe, thanks for a better wording! However, I found the answer! Savage orcs have a special rule, “wild abandon” which lets them benefit from additional hand weapons while mounted at the expense of an expanded dangerous terrain check. In this case, the problem was ME rather than GW! Sorry for the disturbance and thanks everyone for chiming in! |
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Post by knoffles on Dec 3, 2018 7:43:12 GMT
And just for further clarification on the Wildriders (though I think you were actually after the SO boar boyz), the spear counts as a ‘special’ weapon (of 88 of the brb) and as such must be used over the hand weapon (pg89).
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Post by Horace on Dec 3, 2018 10:15:18 GMT
This may seem pedantic at first, but the rulebook never says they cannot have them, it says they cannot use them. An important difference in wording and nothing in the O&G book overrides that.
Just another case of GW not knowing how their own rules actually work.
This is the issue I was trying to describe, thanks for a better wording! However, I found the answer! Savage orcs have a special rule, “wild abandon” which lets them benefit from additional hand weapons while mounted at the expense of an expanded dangerous terrain check. In this case, the problem was ME rather than GW! Sorry for the disturbance and thanks everyone for chiming in! Indeed, SOBB have an explicit rule allowing them to benefit from the additional hand weapon (although I would have personally preferred a better description than "benefit) whilst mounted. Unless any other mounted troops have a similar rule they would not get the extra attack. It lets SOBB hit like a ton of bricks, as long as you don't encounter any dangerous terrain en route and don't mind the fact you have little armour.. |
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