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Post by thefatandroid on Feb 3, 2019 17:43:54 GMT
Do your own troops block line of sight for your other troops? Also where do you draw line of sight from for cannons? The actual cannon hole or the models?
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Post by strutsagget on Feb 3, 2019 19:09:29 GMT
Regarding cannons. You trace line of sight from cannon nozzle.
“Line of sight is always taken from the chosen firing point (i.e. its muzzle or crossbar, in the same way as for its range) – before you fire the war machine, pivot it to face your chosen target (this doesn’t count as moving). For war machine weapons that require Ballistic Skill, use the highest Ballistic Skill amongst the crew to resolve the shot.”
Excerpt From WARHAMMER RULEBOOK
Regarding line of sight. True line of sight is just that. If the model can see through the models it has line of sight if it cant then it cant see(in most cases there are some way to se a leg or part of ahead). Some models are easier than other.
Warriors of chaos are very dense but an eagle not so dense to see through(if it's pegged up in the air).
“LINE OF SIGHT ... Line of sight literally represents your warriors’ view of the enemy – they must be able to see their foe through, under or over the battlefield terrain, and other models (friendly or enemy).
For one model to have line of sight to another, you must be able to trace an unblocked line from its eyes to any part of the body (i.e. the head, torso, arms or legs) of the target.
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Excerpt From WARHAMMER RULEBOOK
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Post by Naitsabes on Feb 3, 2019 19:18:42 GMT
your own troops don't block LoS. you can always claim a line somewhere between the knees of trooper A and trooper B's elbow. It is 8th editions greatest flaw.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Feb 4, 2019 16:14:05 GMT
To add BRB p. 10: "Sometimes, all that will be visible of a model is a weapon, banner or other ornament he is carrying. In these cases, the model is not visible. Similarly, we ignore wings and tails, even though they are technically part of a model's body. These rules are intended to ensure that models don't get penalised for having impressive banners, swords, and so on."
For reasons of verisimilitude, I always keep fire lines for my cannon, and never shoot through my own units with gunpowder weapons, but that is a self-limitation I do not expect from others. I also always keep a laser pointer ready to settle any disputes regardimg LoS.
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Post by thefatandroid on Feb 4, 2019 17:32:14 GMT
So it really seems like a crap shoot. You could honestly claim line of sight through mostly any unit. The laser pointer trick might be the best way to handle it. I'll have to pick one up just for this.
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Post by sedge on Feb 4, 2019 17:46:55 GMT
The rules aren't great in this regards. If you're playing with friends, it's usually much easier to agree to be reasonable and use common sense with things, rather than sticking rigidly to true line of sight. If you don't think your Grey Seer would be able to see that Goblin who has ten ranks of his friends in between, then it's better to agree that he can't.
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Post by strutsagget on Feb 4, 2019 18:57:35 GMT
The rules aren't great in this regards. If you're playing with friends, it's usually much easier to agree to be reasonable and use common sense with things, rather than sticking rigidly to true line of sight. If you don't think your Grey Seer would be able to see that Goblin who has ten ranks of his friends in between, then it's better to agree that he can't. Or agree to roll dice if you are unsure. Always find throwing in another 50/50 chance great fun Remember cannons usually aim at a point 10” in front on the ground. And warp lightning cannon needs stacked dice with a lot of S10(its the Skaven thing to do).
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Post by gangland on Mar 28, 2019 17:50:09 GMT
Quick question regarding this:
So as long as a model can see a body part on an opposing model, even if a friendly unit is partially obscuring the model but a body part is still visible, that model has line of sight?
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Post by knoffles on Mar 28, 2019 19:42:08 GMT
Technically that is correct as 8th uses true line of sight.
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Post by gangland on Mar 31, 2019 20:22:20 GMT
What I thought. This was of dispute last triumph and treachery game I played Friday. We never agreed on any house rule so I was claiming true line of sight as the rulebook suggested, ended up just rolling off for it but I knew I had los as stated in the rulebook and several people agreed with me.
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Post by saniles on Apr 3, 2019 3:01:09 GMT
Mostly I try to do the good dude rules with LOS. I’ve played lots of D&D where LOS is a big concern. I played a game last week and decided that my grey seer couldn’t see through the 4 ranks of horde style Stormvermin. With a laser pointer.... maybe. But like others, I personally see a flaw here and would argue the good dudery at least. The game simulated constant movement throughout the battlespace, I’m just not convinced that while hauling balls toward the enemy that I would be able to see clearly enough. Formations runs in the military have taught me that much.
But again, like mentioned earlier, that is a self imposed interpretation.
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Post by gangland on Apr 3, 2019 17:25:00 GMT
Yes but the issue here was that I was told we were going by the rule book and I had done my movement with that in mind. Yet I still conceded to a dice roll off, which I lost, however I wanted to make sure that I was still correct in my interpretation of the rulebook.
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