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Post by mrpancakes on Feb 25, 2019 18:47:57 GMT
Can it be destroyed by a cannon? Cannons can remove obstacles but the Beastmen book doesnt indicate if the Herdstone is an obstacle or not.
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Post by midnightfox0083 on Feb 25, 2019 20:11:52 GMT
If it doesn't say it's an obstacle, then it's not an obstacle.
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Post by mrpancakes on Feb 26, 2019 3:15:51 GMT
That's what I figured and I hope you're right. I love my herdstone and my buddies love cannons  |
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Post by knoffles on Feb 26, 2019 8:07:30 GMT
It also counts as impassable terrain not an object. It can’t be targeted.
Edit: I can’t find where I read the above to back up that statement. I’ll see if I can find it when I get home (and hope I didn’t make it up).
The faq does state that the shard can be destroyed by items and spells that can destroy magic items (so arcane unforging comes to mind). So I take that as, although you deploy the shard, it’s still linked to the shaman for the purposes of attacks that target him and can destroy items (perhaps even the dwarf runic weapons that can destroy random items on a 4+).
It’s not a great faq and I think it would have been better to have said no to whether spells etc can target it.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Feb 27, 2019 9:34:30 GMT
It also counts as impassable terrain not an object. It can’t be targeted. Edit: I can’t find where I read the above to back up that statement. I’ll see if I can find it when I get home (and hope I didn’t make it up). You will not find it in the official rules: iirc, it is an FAQ from the Swedish Comp version. Here is the FAQ knoffles referred to: Beastmen Official Update Version 1.3, p.3: Q: Can the Shard of the Herdstone be destroyed or removed from play in any way, for example by items and spells that destroy magic items? (p94) A: Yes. Note that it is not per se limited to items and spells that destroy magic items - those are just examples of things that can destroy it. Whatever else might destroy the Shard is not specified, in which case normal rules apply. Note also that, according to the Beastmen AB p. 94, you "place an appropriate terrain piece to represent the herdstone" [ Italics mine] - but that does not mean the herdstone itself is a piece of terrain. Ultimately, the Shard of the Herdstone remains an Enchanted Item, that can be bought as part of the magic item allowance of Lords and Heroes. Unless specified otherwise, the Shard follows all the rules for magic items, and, therefore, it would be lost when it is wearer is slain, just like any other magic item. |
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Post by knoffles on Feb 27, 2019 12:38:28 GMT
Cheers Fvon, I did wonder after the above if it would be removed when the bearer was slain. It makes sense given the official FAQ decision.
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Post by Crazy_Dokta on Feb 17, 2022 5:57:14 GMT
Wait.
Let's compare.
Herdstone.
Enchanced item.
After deployment zones have been agreed, but before the armies have been deployed, place an appropriate terrain piece to represent the herdstone in your deployment zone.
FAQ: Q: Can the Shard of the Herdstone be destroyed or removed from
play in any way, for example by items and spells that destroy
magic items?
A: Yes.
Fozzrik fortress.
Enchanced item.
After deployment zones have been agreed, but before the armies have been deployed, place a watchtower building in your deployment zone to represent the fortress.
FAQ: Can Fozzrik fortress be destroyed by spells or special rules that destroy msgic items?
A: Only if the spell or special rule activates before it placed.
What nonsense?!
In both cases we have "a thing that places terrain piece on the table". There are any stuff that may destroy terrain/building? (Well, Skaven Bell effects and Cracks call spell for the buildings).
They are both something like "One use. Place the terrain <...>" (as with WE Acorns or DOC Rock of inevitability. Although, the last one may be used at the end of any movement phase, it's the only exception.)
"No, that was the intention. They are all different!" or "No. Rules as written!" Really? Come on.
I'm not nagging you. I'm nagging GW designers - they showed once again their devil-may-care attitude.
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Post by jamesacon on Feb 17, 2022 21:11:12 GMT
On the subject of the Herdstone, how big or small can it be? I have recently finished building a beastmen army and contemplating what to use.
Sorry to derail the thread.
Thanks
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Post by Crazy_Dokta on Feb 17, 2022 21:47:26 GMT
On the subject of the Herdstone, how big or small can it be? I have recently finished building a beastmen army and contemplating what to use. Sorry to derail the thread. Thanks Q: Is the Herdstone a piece of impassable terrain? Is the size of it limited somehow? A: Yes. Yes. The Herdstone must be on a square, round or rectangular base that fits inside a 5" diameter circle. It's from old the ETC pack (2012 or so). The GW official herdstone model (for AoS) looks really big and something like that (See at Hobby projects on this forum, it was here somewhere, I don't remember. And I've lost my own scratch-builded one). Edit: see in Mottdon blog for comparison. Maybe he can measure it and give you more precise information. |
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Post by DemolitionMan on Feb 18, 2022 14:49:58 GMT
On the subject of the Herdstone, how big or small can it be? I have recently finished building a beastmen army and contemplating what to use. Sorry to derail the thread. Thanks Q: Is the Herdstone a piece of impassable terrain? Is the size of it limited somehow? A: Yes. Yes. The Herdstone must be on a square, round or rectangular base that fits inside a 5" diameter circle. It's from old the ETC pack (2012 or so). The GW official herdstone model (for AoS) looks really big and something like that (See at Hobby projects on this forum, it was here somewhere, I don't remember. And I've lost my own scratch-builded one). Edit: see in Mottdon blog for comparison. Maybe he can measure it and give you more precise information. impassable terrain? Can I now set up an incredibly elaborate scenario where I use the lore heavens to push a shaman into his own herdstone? I feel like it won't cause any damage but would be well worth the effort lol. I use the AOS herdstone model, I'll measure it when I get home and let you know the measurements. |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Feb 22, 2022 9:02:18 GMT
Crazy_Dokta : Good catch, which invalidates my argument about "representation." As it happens, the BRB FAQ was confirmed by an old HE FAQ (7th AB overlap): HE AB Official Update Version 1.4, p.2: Q: What happens when you use Vaul’s Unmaking to destroy a magic item that is represented by a model in game, such as a mount or Fozzrik’s Folding Fortress? (p47) A: Nothing. We assume the magic item is what summons the mount/fortress, so destroying the item will have no in-game effect. Of course, in the case of Beastmen AB>BRB. And there may in fact be method to the madness. There is a crucial difference between the SotH and the FFF: once placed, the latter is just a mundane piece of terrain, while the Herdstone remains magical. Compare this to the Comet of Casandora, which cannot be dispelled, because it is non-magical piece of rock coming down, or Vaul's Unmaking, which can render magical items ineffective by turning them into their mundane equivalent.
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