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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jul 21, 2021 19:50:13 GMT
In any case: That said, all possible arguments have been made here and, as you said, there is no need to rehash them.
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Post by vulcan on Jul 22, 2021 0:32:19 GMT
vulcan : It is RAW=RAI versus RAW=/=RAI and RAI>RAW. anechrome specifically asked for RAW, so oldmandan giving him a RAI argument does not answer his question. Those arguing RAW=RAI do it on principle, since there is no extra benefit to their army. That said, all possible arguments have been made here and, as you said, there is no need to rehash them. I would argue it isn't not RAW vs. RAI. I would argue the rules are poorly written and can legitimately and (relatively) honestly be interpreted as RAW both ways. It's not an uncommon occurrence in WFB, after all.
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Post by vulcan on Jul 22, 2021 0:35:30 GMT
This is not only about BSBs it also affect other characters with limitations to be general like dark elves assassins and some dwarf dork and a rat with by vermin standards pretty high LD. Valid point. Are DE Assassins, LD 10, banned from armies led by a Supreme Sorceress, LD 9? The rules for the Assassin say Assassins cannot be generals, but make no exemption for a DE general to have a lower LD than the assassin. How do we want to interpret THIS?
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Post by strutsagget on Jul 22, 2021 6:58:08 GMT
This is not only about BSBs it also affect other characters with limitations to be general like dark elves assassins and some dwarf dork and a rat with by vermin standards pretty high LD. Valid point. Are DE Assassins, LD 10, banned from armies led by a Supreme Sorceress, LD 9? The rules for the Assassin say Assassins cannot be generals, but make no exemption for a DE general to have a lower LD than the assassin. How do we want to interpret THIS? I think you and your group should play the way that makes most fun for all players. LD is usually a problem in lower point games where you only have room for hero level characters and those games are usually not as competitive.
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Post by vulcan on Jul 23, 2021 6:01:35 GMT
Valid point. Are DE Assassins, LD 10, banned from armies led by a Supreme Sorceress, LD 9? The rules for the Assassin say Assassins cannot be generals, but make no exemption for a DE general to have a lower LD than the assassin. How do we want to interpret THIS? I think you and your group should play the way that makes most fun for all players. LD is usually a problem in lower point games where you only have room for hero level characters and those games are usually not as competitive. Agreed. There are enough rules conflicts around, no need to add more. Rule #1. Have fun.
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Post by oldmandan on Jul 28, 2021 18:34:43 GMT
Ok I think I may have the most concrete answer for the thread. In the first post I'm going to use the example of my mate with his Chaos warriors. He was using a BSB way out on the flank in a large unit of warriors to hold the flank. In this case it was clear cut and he was only able to use the BSB leadership as the general was far away. Another example is from one of my games in which my unit of eternal guard with general had to test using the eternal guard leadership as it was the highest in the unit because my general was a spellsinger. In the rulebook it does state that units should use the highest leadership available which in this case from the first post on this thread would be the BSB. In the case of Skaven if you had a chieftain as a BSB he would not be eligible to be general and if the only other character was an Assassin as stipulated in the BRB the Army book rules for Skaven Assassins (Killer not a leader) would come into force so therefore the army list would be void as there would be no general. Another example would be taking two Skaven chieftains, one is the BSB the other is the general. If the BSB is placed in a unit with the Standard of Discipline he would have the highest leadership. However, because he is the BSB he cannot be the general so therefore yes the general would potentially have a lower leadership than the BSB and due to units using highest leadership to take tests they would use the BSB to test in addition to the other effects of the banner. Another example would be using a Chieftain as BSB and then having a warlock engineer as your only other character. The engineer would be the only available character to be general. Hopefully this clears everything up.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jul 28, 2021 18:58:11 GMT
oldmandan : I am afraid your post rather seems to miss the crux of the matter. That said, all possible arguments have been made here; and there is no need to rehash them.
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Post by oldmandan on Jul 31, 2021 11:41:17 GMT
Fair, however I am trying to help and well after all that had been said I felt the questions weren't answered and things had gotten a little too heated over this topic.
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