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Post by knoffles on Jul 5, 2021 18:13:01 GMT
And from the OnG book, Gorbad Ironclaw is also both the BSB and General.
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Post by knoffles on Jul 5, 2021 18:36:44 GMT
I’ll also add that RAW or not, it’s generally accepted that your general can have a lower leadership if the higher leadership character is the BSB.
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Post by Steve on Jul 5, 2021 23:46:19 GMT
I can't imagine why anyone would try to dispute that - it certainly doesn't give you an advantage!
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Post by vulcan on Jul 6, 2021 1:23:14 GMT
It allows several armies to field a Wizard general and BSB instead of either a wizard and no BSB (because the BSB options have higher leadership than the wizard options) or a combat lord general, a BSB, and a wizard.
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Post by strutsagget on Jul 6, 2021 6:44:50 GMT
I can't imagine why anyone would try to dispute that - it certainly doesn't give you an advantage! The rules specifically states the general has to have the highest leadership on the field with no exception added. Matt Ward without any rulebook at hand or read in years gave a Twitter response saying you omit characters that can’t be general as a bsb or other rule when selecting general. |
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Post by oldmandan on Jul 8, 2021 11:54:47 GMT
Yeah this was something that was changed for the Skaven from 6th to 7th edition as the Grey Seer was only Ld 6 which was the same as a chieftain, by making a Grey seer Ld7 that took out some of the ambiguity.
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Post by vulcan on Jul 9, 2021 8:25:58 GMT
Dark Elves at low points would want a Master BSB (Ld8) and a L2 Sorceress (Ld7) for the general instead of a second Master. Bretonnia might have the same issue, although they're more likely to bite the bullet and take the second Paladin.
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Post by Horace on Jul 9, 2021 20:01:32 GMT
I can't imagine why anyone would try to dispute that - it certainly doesn't give you an advantage! The rules specifically states the general has to have the highest leadership on the field with no exception added. Matt Ward without any rulebook at hand or read in years gave a Twitter response saying you omit characters that can’t be general as a bsb or other rule when selecting general. What you say is in no way as straight forward as you make out. It was debated at length here eefl.freeforums.net/thread/715/rules-question-generals-leadership?page=6Suffice to say I disagree with your assessment. As does the dude who wrote it, but maybe other people know better than him since he hasn't read it in years 🤷♂️ |
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Post by DiscoQing on Jul 10, 2021 7:51:39 GMT
Dark Elves at low points would want a Master BSB (Ld8) and a L2 Sorceress (Ld7) for the general instead of a second Master. Bretonnia might have the same issue, although they're more likely to bite the bullet and take the second Paladin. A lvl2 Sorceress is Ld8 😊 |
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Post by vulcan on Jul 12, 2021 0:25:23 GMT
Dark Elves at low points would want a Master BSB (Ld8) and a L2 Sorceress (Ld7) for the general instead of a second Master. Bretonnia might have the same issue, although they're more likely to bite the bullet and take the second Paladin. A lvl2 Sorceress is Ld8 😊 My bad. The Sorceress is Ld8, the Master Ld9. |
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Post by anechrome on Jul 16, 2021 16:41:31 GMT
Sorry, late to the party, but where does it say the BSB cannot be the general? The second section in BRB about bsb: “The Battle Standard Bearer Model A Battle Standard Bearer is a heroic model carrying a particularly impressive banner, and it will be presented as an option in your Warhammer army book. The battle standard is carried by a character model and, unless specified otherwise, the model that carries the battle standard cannot be the General.” Excerpt From WARHAMMER RULEBOOK Thx! |
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Post by strutsagget on Jul 17, 2021 6:55:58 GMT
The rules specifically states the general has to have the highest leadership on the field with no exception added. Matt Ward without any rulebook at hand or read in years gave a Twitter response saying you omit characters that can’t be general as a bsb or other rule when selecting general. What you say is in no way as straight forward as you make out. It was debated at length here eefl.freeforums.net/thread/715/rules-question-generals-leadership?page=6Suffice to say I disagree with your assessment. As does the dude who wrote it, but maybe other people know better than him since he hasn't read it in years 🤷♂️ Yes some thread gets long doesn’t mean they are more valid then the shorts ones  Regarding Matt Ward it is my understanding from interviews that he were more of a fluff writer then rules as he was removed from the rules team during 8ed. I really like some of his work with 6ed wood elves book, a personal favorite. He is not listed as an author of the main BRB as far as I can google. WFB.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warhammer_Rulebook_(8th_Edition)Maybe it just me but I try to read the rules book when interpreting rules. I find it important. 🤷♂️ |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jul 17, 2021 7:42:08 GMT
No need to google: the colophon on p. 512 mentions for Games Development: Alessio Cavatore, Robin Cruddace, Graham Davey, Andy Hoare, Jervis Johnson, Phil Kelly, Andrew Kenrick, Jeremy Vetock, and...Matthew Ward.
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Post by Horace on Jul 17, 2021 9:15:50 GMT
Interpret is the key word. Your post is incorrect as has been pointed out. If you wish to assume you know better than one of the authors because it suits your side, so be it
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jul 17, 2021 9:44:44 GMT
To be fair: it IS what is clearly written in the BRB, and if the intent was completely different, then the writer is to blame. Besides, Mat Ward himself admitted in the thread he did not look at the rules (and thus may have been confusing editions), and seems to be under the wrongful impression that somebody was arguing that the BSB could be general (something I often encountered often in such discussions): "Cant lay my hands on the rules atm, but the intent was always that the BSB can never be the general" - which, of course, was never in doubt.
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